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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022
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Let’s see how it goes. It’s a shame what this place has been allowed to devolve to.
Soldato
Hope so, competition is great for the market and for us
It’s awesome to see how rapidly we’ve progressed since 8 series CPUs vs 2->7 series
I remember people having conversations about how it wasn’t really worth getting a 6700K if you had a 2700k
Soldato
Hope so, competition is great for the market and for us
It’s awesome to see how rapidly we’ve progressed since 8 series CPUs vs 2->7 series
I remember people having conversations about how it wasn’t really worth getting a 6700K if you had a 2700k
I work in the hardware industry so it has been really frantic over the last few years with AMD proving themselves to be a worthy competitor again, system development has been a challenge and moving forward it doesn't look like I'll get much respite, that's me being selfish though.
I do enjoy the ever changing landscape now, it is just a shame that the whole semi-conductor shortage has put a dampener on the consumer/enthusiast market.Hope so, competition is great for the market and for us
It’s awesome to see how rapidly we’ve progressed since 8 series CPUs vs 2->7 series
I remember people having conversations about how it wasn’t really worth getting a 6700K if you had a 2700k
If someone had said pre AM4 that by 2021 we would have todays level of CPU power in a ATX box for these prices I would have laughed. I remember being tempted by an 8pack overclocked 10 core system for the price of a nice car. Today you can have that for the price of an electric scooter thanks to AMD.
Lisa the generous.
This and the GPU forum are unfortunately a little like rogue states with all the extreme levels of brand loyalty. Very difficult to moderate!
Soldato
I work in the hardware industry so it has been really frantic over the last few years with AMD proving themselves to be a worthy competitor again, system development has been a challenge and moving forward it doesn't look like I'll get much respite, that's me being selfish though.
Absolutely, it’s a major pain, and I can see how the rapid change is impacting your business area
Quite. And the discussions where people would say “games won’t need more than 4 cores”
Software adapts to the hardware available, and finally AMD have made more cores mainstream, and hence the adoption of multi threaded workload more mainstream.
There is a downside though - everything seems to be getting more power hungry. Apps using more resources “because they can”.
It’s a little more than a brand loyalty issue I think. But yeah, I have no doubt you chaps have your work cut out
Caporegime
I remember that, Intel: "you only need 4 cores" most tech journalists parrot: "you only need 4 cores" forums such as this "you only need.........."
Now the same thing is happening with GPU's, the first midrange 8GB GPU was launched in 2014, fast forward to 2021 and Nvidia are still churning out 8GB mid range GPU's, once again tech journalists are running defence for a $300 Billion company "U oNly nEed 8GB"
The thing is just as soon and AMD / Intel stopped messing about with 4 core mainstream CPU's games got more advanced and needed 6 fast cores minimum, the problem with these hardware vendors stagnating is the rest of the industry stagnate behind then, except the few who try to push it forward then get accused of "not optimising their game" mostly by Nvidia owners....
How times change.
Caporegime
8 cores are fine.
This is the most core heavy game in history and its very well optimised for high core count CPU's, even with DX11, these guys spent years building the back end for thread hyper scaling because it just wouldn't run without it. I have seen people with Ryzen 3950X load up all 32 properly.
And after all that they a more than a year in to converting it to Vulkan
Its an example of a Dev ignoring consoles and what's available on the market, instead to building the best thing they can. Luckily hardware caught up, well, except Nvidia...
This is why i upgraded my "you only need 4 cores" 4690K to a Ryzen 1600.
This is the most core heavy game in history and its very well optimised for high core count CPU's, even with DX11, these guys spent years building the back end for thread hyper scaling because it just wouldn't run without it. I have seen people with Ryzen 3950X load up all 32 properly.
And after all that they a more than a year in to converting it to Vulkan
Its an example of a Dev ignoring consoles and what's available on the market, instead to building the best thing they can. Luckily hardware caught up, well, except Nvidia...
This is why i upgraded my "you only need 4 cores" 4690K to a Ryzen 1600.
Nothing has changed, you just missed the point. The CPU market isn’t just about gaming and powering Nvidia graphics cards.
8 Skylake cores isn’t enough for Intel to take on AMD’s Zen product stack. Wasn’t enough 2 years ago and won’t be over the life of shareholder lake. Ie until Intel move to 16 big cores AMD continues to win because they have better technology. Ie AMD can beat 8 Skylake + 8 Atom cores with just a single 8 core Zen complex. Wha, wha, wah.
Caporegime
That isn't the problem, its a problem but so long as you have 6 fast cores minimum you can run a fairly high end GPU from Nvidia and their software scheduler should not have an effect on your performance, its not something that i have noticed, tho i am only running a 2070 Super.
You and i could quote an RX 5700XT out performing an RTX 3090 by 20% because of Nvidia's rather old fashioned scheduler but those are extreme purely academic cases, you shouldn't be running a Ryzen 1600 or a Core i5 8400 with anything above an RTX 3060, even that is pushing it.
The real problem is, and i'll keep saying this until Nvidia stop being Nvidia; the lack of VRam.
I’ve said for a long time that if* getting the most for a high end Nvidia card is the only reason you have a PC then you should buy the highest end CPU you can. The issue is the highest performance core clusters are usually found in the highest core count parts. If only a manufacturer offered high performance clusters with lower core counts…
I’m sure our resident super annoying, pro gaming defence force of consumer champions, would be incredibly supportive of that kind of product.
AMD pushing CPU design more towards the gaming market. At least in some part.
Lisa the gaming champion.
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8 cores are fine.
This is the most core heavy game in history and its very well optimised for high core count CPU's, even with DX11, these guys spent years building the back end for thread hyper scaling because it just wouldn't run without it. I have seen people with Ryzen 3950X load up all 32 properly.
And after all that they a more than a year in to converting it to Vulkan
Its an example of a Dev ignoring consoles and what's available on the market, instead to building the best thing they can. Luckily hardware caught up, well, except Nvidia...
This is why i upgraded my "you only need 4 cores" 4690K to a Ryzen 1600.
That's not a game, it's a tech demo, an old one at that
Clearly the Vcache experiment on Zen 3 didn't go well for one reason or another as they showed it running on a 5900X at 4ghz and even done some benchmarks over 6 months ago yet what will be 9 months on its only releasing as a single 8 core product.
As most sensible people have said, it is likely down to Milan X sales and also as many journo's have said 5800X is the one SKU that makes the most sense.
How did you manage to say that with a straight face?
Irony overload, right there.
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Soldato
My problem with the early Zen chips was the latency, when it first came out i know it had good multicore performance for certain tasks, but for overall gaming it was behind Intel quite a bit. People still mention the issue was because of lower clock speed than was rumoured, but supposedly higher clocks wouldn't have helped anyway because of certain limitations. Didn't Igors Lab do an article on it? Or someone did.
Zen didn't interest me until Zen 2, which ironically was released a little bit before my x99 motherboard decided to just stop working. I know Intel was still ahead in gaming with the 8700k even then though, and it even released nearly 2 years earlier than Zen 2, but i knew i would get at least another upgrade by going x570.
Caporegime