**AMD Fiji Thread**

[LambChop]

I really hope you guys are right. We'll know more next week I suppose...

We will, basically what AMD are saying is that because you have crap loads of bandwidth you wont need more memory.

so this is why AMD said no

watch this cringeworthy video

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/amd-fiji-hbm-and-product-rebadging/

It's already been posted but he makes a hell of a lot of very valid points.

 

[LambChop]

Didn't NVIDIA send out the 980Ti for reviewers before they announced it? The reviews went live half a day before the announcement of the product at the event as well.

I think that's why some reviewers are taken a back by it.

Then again, with the Titan X they revealed it first, and then sent out review samples because it was the top halo product, similar to how Fury X is for AMD.

Would I want reviews already, sure. I can understand why they haven't sent them out yet though, product launch is next week and they probably started sending them out after E3 so reviewers had time before the launch day.

Is the x2 not the halo product ?

 

[r7slayer]

Ha, that's the one I posted earlier.

The tone is his voice from the off and his opening line 'Speculation and guesswork' is all people need to know lol.

An awful video, totally unprofessional from Kitguru imho. The bit where he gets upset at AMD showing their unannounced products to customers. Rather than allowing them to review it before AMD have even been able to announce it at E3. Cringeworthy stuff. Elsewhere today anybody posting this video or defending AMD's stance is being deleted from discuss. So you have these guys whining and slating publicly via social media, followed by then doing the same thing over not received samples after AMD actually had a chance to announce their product. You can see that the websites are trying to steer the narrative. Totally ignorant that they were in the wrong.

AMD are being the bigger man.

whoooaaa man wheres the nvidia rebranding videos? Hmm none and we all know nvidia rebrand just as much as AMD do. Puts kitguru in a different light now. Also seem to see this sorta light from pcperspective too. A sort of green light lol.

 

[Breeze]

For everyone saying something negative there's someone else saying something positive. Can't argue against balance surely?
Maybe if everyone stopped saying positive things people would stop saying negative things?

Or how about people do the sensible thing and wait and see. Radical I know.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I really hope you guys are right. We'll know more next week I suppose...

We already know, look at the 980ti/Titan X reviews around, GTA 5/Shadow of Mordor both claim to required more than 4GB at 4k/ultra settings. A 980 4GB is in both games maintains exactly the same performance gap at 1440p/high settings, 4k/high settings and 4k/ultra settings. In Shadow of Morder this is supposedly going from 2-3GB of memory usage to a required 6GB.... but the 4GB 980 is the same distance behind in both average AND minimum framerate across all those settings.

The only two games suggested to use more than 4GB and only at 4k, neither of them show any fundamental performance difference between 4GB/8GB on near identical cards (4 and 8GB 290x for instance) nor any fundamental change in the performance difference between 4GB and 8/12GB cards.

 

[Harlequin]

It's already been posted but he makes a hell of a lot of very valid points.

no he doesn't - he`s throwing his toys out of the pram and having a tantrum.

AMD are doing the right thing

 

[Bonjour]

It is thoroughly unprofessional.

If they'd shown a modicum of discretion, then maybe they'd be receiving a review card.

 

[gerico]

It's already been posted but he makes a hell of a lot of very valid points.

I don't think he makes any valid points. That's not a very professional or unbiased video to go posting. And they then wonder why AMD pulls their review card. Stupid move IMO - from KitGuru that is.

I am skeptical about rebrands, from both companies but I think that video shows themselves in a pretty bad light. If I were AMD I'd make the same move for sure. I wouldn't give them jack.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Wow, I've always liked KitGuru. I've never really watched many of their videos but the guy is quite annoying in this one. Talk about an AMD slate fest. He's proper got issues with AMD eh. No suprise of news that they've had their fury review card cancelled by AMD! I actually stopped watching half way through as his whingey voice is annoying as hell!

Kitguru as with wccf or whatever they are called and 99% of these other sites are just rumour mongers, nothing more or less.

He's an idiot there, the 'customers' he's talking about are people like Dell, not you and me. AMD, Nvidia, Intel, everyone making similar products talks about these details with OEM's months and months, usually years before launch because choosing to buy a graphics card and stick it in your computer at launch and choosing to buy a million of them and designing an entire PC around a specific product aren't remotely comparable.

The industry has worked the same way in regards to informing the consumers and press about products for decades, that he thinks something strange is happening is ridiculous. That he's saying customer rather than explaining he means OEM's and not realising why OEM's need more heads up than the press is purposefully misleading or this guy is totally ignorant, which by the rest of what he said is the way I'm leaning. 290x is already close to a 980 gtx, ahead sometimes, behind more often than ahead but he believed a chip which both has higher bandwidth and can put significantly more power into the gpu which we've known for 8 months or more has 4096 shaders might not leapfrog a 980.... the guy is just plain stupid.

 

[gerico]

Kitguru as with wccf or whatever they are called and 99% of these other sites are just rumour mongers, nothing more or less.

He's an idiot there, the 'customers' he's talking about are people like Dell, not you and me. AMD, Nvidia, Intel, everyone making similar products talks about these details with OEM's months and months, usually years before launch because choosing to buy a graphics card and stick it in your computer at launch and choosing to buy a million of them and designing an entire PC around a specific product aren't remotely comparable.

The industry has worked the same way in regards to informing the consumers and press about products for decades, that he thinks something strange is happening is ridiculous. That he's saying customer rather than explaining he means OEM's and not realising why OEM's need more heads up than the press is purposefully misleading or this guy is totally ignorant, which by the rest of what he said is the way I'm leaning. 290x is already close to a 980 gtx, ahead sometimes, behind more often than ahead but he believed a chip which both has higher bandwidth and can put significantly more power into the gpu which we've known for 8 months or more has 4096 shaders might not leapfrog a 980.... the guy is just plain stupid.

Completely agree. If he had done the same about nVidia I'd be equally disturbed. He's clearly peeved and thinks he's more important than he is.

 

[r7slayer]

Well when the fury releases and ends up beating the 980Ti some one post benchmarks to gitguru and go nur nur nur nur nuuurrrrrrr

 

[andybird123]

We already know, look at the 980ti/Titan X reviews around, GTA 5/Shadow of Mordor both claim to required more than 4GB at 4k/ultra settings. A 980 4GB is in both games maintains exactly the same performance gap at 1440p/high settings, 4k/high settings and 4k/ultra settings. In Shadow of Morder this is supposedly going from 2-3GB of memory usage to a required 6GB.... but the 4GB 980 is the same distance behind in both average AND minimum framerate across all those settings.

The only two games suggested to use more than 4GB and only at 4k, neither of them show any fundamental performance difference between 4GB/8GB on near identical cards (4 and 8GB 290x for instance) nor any fundamental change in the performance difference between 4GB and 8/12GB cards.

Except we have no confirmation they were using the optional to install texture pack, as the ultra preset also increases the shadow and ambient occlusion options

Guru3d, in their 980ti review specifically stated that they did not use the ultra textures as this option gave an unfair comparison, they felt, to 4GB cards, so to be able to run the game at playable settings on all the comparison cards they disabled it

 

[Silent_Scone]

Kitguru as with wccf or whatever they are called and 99% of these other sites are just rumour mongers, nothing more or less.

He's an idiot there, the 'customers' he's talking about are people like Dell, not you and me. AMD, Nvidia, Intel, everyone making similar products talks about these details with OEM's months and months, usually years before launch because choosing to buy a graphics card and stick it in your computer at launch and choosing to buy a million of them and designing an entire PC around a specific product aren't remotely comparable.

The industry has worked the same way in regards to informing the consumers and press about products for decades, that he thinks something strange is happening is ridiculous. That he's saying customer rather than explaining he means OEM's and not realising why OEM's need more heads up than the press is purposefully misleading or this guy is totally ignorant, which by the rest of what he said is the way I'm leaning. 290x is already close to a 980 gtx, ahead sometimes, behind more often than ahead but he believed a chip which both has higher bandwidth and can put significantly more power into the gpu which we've known for 8 months or more has 4096 shaders might not leapfrog a 980.... the guy is just plain stupid.

Hi,

You are correct on the time frames with OEMs, but what makes this launch different from past events is that partners are totally in the dark as well. I've heard it's been a very gruelling process. Putting a finer point on what's likely to be very small supply of cards.

 

[Rroff]

There are absolutely no games that need 4GB at 1440p. There are only 2 games I can see that suggest they need more than 4GB at 4k/ultra settings and both of those don't show >4GB cards being faster than 4GB cards.

I can push the edge of 3GB (real requirement not cached) at 1440p in a fair few games - 1-2 can be made to actually use 4GB i.e. GTA V with extended detail options.

At 4K I can blast past 4GB actual requirement as (I only have 3GB can see what it really needs) pretty easily - I don't expect to see the fury fall down at 4K with current games depending on settings but I wouldn't want to buy a top end GPU now with only 4GB of VRAM on it for high res/multi monitor gaming - sure games will probably be adopting streaming/tiled resources sooner than later but a lot of developers aren't going to be sitting there going "yay me I reduced the VRAM requirements of our game by 50%" they are going to be planning what they can do with the extra budget freed up by moving a large amount of texture data, etc. out i.e. for one thing increasing the detail of geometry to go with the ability to not only streaming much higher resolution textures but also to match the now higher draw call, etc. capabilities with the new APIs.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Hi,

You are correct on the time frames with OEMs, but what makes this launch different from past events is that partners are totally in the dark as well. I've heard it's been a very gruelling process. Putting a finer point on what's likely to be very small supply of cards.

You just directly heard that the partners had cards ages ago and were showing demos to their biggest customers, the OEM's... so that's simply not true.

The partners are in no way in the dark, completely ridiculous to suggest so. The first cards for almost every launch anyway are reference cards. Up until the second round of 28nm products it was usual for non reference parts to take 2-3 months to show up. 'Partners' jobs for the first 3 months after a gpu release for 18 of the past 20 years has been accepting a delivery of gpu's and putting them in their own branded boxes before shipping them out.

Gruelling process... lol.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Hi,

I know for a fact that certain partners have had nothing for technical marketing purposes, which are arguably more important than press samples. I am not suggesting specific reasons for this, only the simple fact

 

[gerico]

Silent I think your probably right. I'm betting AMD can a pain in the arse - most these big companies are. But for me, videos like that which are not just coming from KitGuru show massive idiots spreading yet more hate. I think AMD have a lot to improve and yes I am sure they could do things better but let's have a little more love and patients. It's only hardware after all!

On a side note I might get a third 290 for minecraft.

 

[Mei]

Ha, that's the one I posted earlier.

The tone is his voice from the off and his opening line 'Speculation and guesswork' is all people need to know lol.

An awful video, totally unprofessional from Kitguru imho. The bit where he gets upset at AMD showing their unannounced products to customers. Rather than allowing them to review it before AMD have even been able to announce it at E3. Cringeworthy stuff. Elsewhere today anybody posting this video or defending AMD's stance is being deleted from discuss. So you have these guys whining and slating publicly via social media, followed by then doing the same thing over not received samples after AMD actually had a chance to announce their product. You can see that the websites are trying to steer the narrative. Totally ignorant that they were in the wrong.

AMD are being the bigger man.

after that video roy did with tech of tomorrow its really hard for me to think of AMD as "the bigger man" lol
until this guy starts bitching about girls weight then goes on a long cry about being overweight himself and more crying about he had his foot removed then he still has one up on them! hahah

we will have to see who does get cards and if they were more deserving than this guy

 

[drunkenmaster]

Anyway, his console rant really did him in regards to his intention to mostly just have a go at AMD.

He claimed the only area AMD win is the in consoles then said the new gen consoles are really no improvement on the last gen consoles. He said they 'still' only provide a 720p experience in most cases... both completely incorrect about BOTH generations. The 360/ps3 didn't do much 720p from what I can remember and the current gen consoles are either 1080p or usually much closer to 1080p than 720p(and more often from the semi botched Xbox than the PS4). He was disappointed they weren't made to push on to 4k gaming and thus AMD only got them because they did it cheaply.


For consoles released in late 2013, when 290x's just launched and Titan 1's were out... the consoles shouldn't have 'stayed' at 720p but should have been pushing towards 4k... at a time almost no one had 4k screens? He's calling AMD the cheap option because they didn't make £2000+ consoles with 2x titans in a tiny box to push content for screens no one had? Yeah the console makers screwed up with that one, £2k boxes for screens no one owned would have sold by the bucket load.

The guy is borderline retarded.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Also, you do not have to like the man or his forward planning in releasing this video, it might have been a little controversial to do so. That being said excluding press from products that are NDA and allowing consumers in is equally so. I would be a little miffed too.