AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Grim5 · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:04

Nablaoperator said:
I admire your patience
Btw what do you think of RX6900 xt's leaked FSU score.. where can we expect it to hit in Time spy?

link? I can't see it on the usual news sites

Rroff · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:05

Nablaoperator said:
Btw what do you think of RX6900 xt's leaked FSU score.. where can we expect it to hit in Time spy?

What leaked score? I've seen mentions variously of 6800xt and 6900xt ascribed to FireStrike Ultra performance levels but no one actually providing information.

4K8KW10 · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:06

He thinks it will score between 10,000 and 10,500 which is again not correct because a tweeter post says between 10,000 and 20,000.

https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1319236740121493504

gpuerrilla · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:07

Rroff said:
As I said then set the tone (not aimed specifically at you) - it goes both ways.

That I agree with.

Nablaoperator · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:10

Rroff said:
What leaked score? I've seen mentions variously of 6800xt and 6900xt ascribed to FireStrike Ultra performance levels but no one actually providing information.

10000+ from Patrick (supported by kopite) .. I am being conservative up to 11k maybe
https://mobile.twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1319210484810289152

Rroff · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:11

Regarding Time Spy we don't really know what the AMD stack is and I don't really know what the bottlenecks are in Time Spy - it could be that AMD's approach is particularly good or bad at different requirements of the benchmark depending on how heavy different features are depend on shading and the various components of ray tracing and their impact on the pipeline.

Grim5 · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:12

Nablaoperator said:
10000+ from Patrick (supported by kopite) .. I am being conservative up to 11k maybe
https://mobile.twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1319210484810289152

Ah ok, well that is the 6800XT from what he claims cause the 6800XT codename is Navi21XT and 6900XT codename is Navi21XTX. That FSU score is directly on par with the RTX3080 while the RTX3090 gains another 2k points on top of that

So here is a list from what I gather

RX5700XT: 6700 pts
RTX2080ti: 8600 pts
RTX3080: 10500 pts
RX6800XT: "Scores over 10k" - I'm assuming 10500 like the 3080
RX6900XT: Unknown - but given it's rumored to have 10% more CU's I'll assume its 11500 pts
RTX3090: 12500 pts

So the 6800XT is 57% faster than the 5700XT and 22% faster than the 2080ti

humbug · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:13

4K8KW10 said:
He thinks it will score between 10,000 and 10,500 which is again not correct because a tweeter post says between 10,000 and 20,000.

https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1319236740121493504

That's a broad sectrum, could be ############# anything

4K8KW10 · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:15

Nablaoperator said:
10000+ from Patrick (supported by kopite) .. I am being conservative up to 11k maybe
https://mobile.twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1319210484810289152

Grim5 said:
Ah ok, well that is the 6900XT from what he claims. That FSU score is directly on par with the RTX3080 while the RTX3090 gains another 2k points on top of that

I don't think that AMD will call an RTX 3080 competitor RX 6900 XT. They called RX 5700 XT in line with RTX 2070.

It could be the RX 6700 XT's score - competitive or slightly faster than RTX 3070.

Nablaoperator · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:16

Rroff said:
Regarding Time Spy we don't really know what the AMD stack is and I don't really know what the bottlenecks are in Time Spy - it could be that AMD's approach is particularly good or bad at different requirements of the benchmark depending on how heavy different features are depend on shading and the various components of ray tracing and their impact on the pipeline.

Grim5 said:
link? I can't see it on the usual news sites

4K8KW10 said:
I don't think that AMD will call an RTX 3080 competitor RX 6900 XT. They called RX 5700 XT in line with RTX 2070.

It could be the RX 6700 XT's score - competitive or slightly faster than RTX 3070.

It's 6800xt btw (fatfinger typo). I've changed the original post

Rroff · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:20

Nablaoperator said:
It's 6800xt btw.. I've changed the original post

I wouldn't hold too much to what particular model it is in that regard - even those who seem to have some idea as to Navi 21 aren't in agreement as to the models and I'm not sure anyone has it right yet.

As far as Time Spy goes it is a bit of an odd one as it uses a mixture of approaches and isn't "pure" ray tracing but also not like some of the hybrid approaches - if AMD has a card that roughly trades blows with the 3080 or a slither behind it as the only genuine numbers suggest then that card likely comes in somewhere between the 2080ti and 3090 for Time Spy depending on what the actual demands of the benchmark are in terms of packing data for RT structures, memory OPs and so on and how well AMD's approach handles that.

KentMan · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:22

Big if true

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1319372044035907614?s=19

Nablaoperator · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:23

Rroff said:
I wouldn't hold too much to what particular model it is in that regard - even those who seem to have some idea as to Navi 21 aren't in agreement as to the models and I'm not sure anyone has it right yet.

As far as Time Spy goes it is a bit of an odd one as it uses a mixture of approaches and isn't "pure" ray tracing but also not like some of the hybrid approaches - if AMD has a card that roughly trades blows with the 3080 or a slither behind it as the only genuine numbers suggest then that card likely comes in somewhere between the 2080ti and 3090 for Time Spy depending on what the actual demands of the benchmark are in terms of packing data for RT structures, memory OPs and so on and how well AMD's approach handles that.

Do you think it could scale similarly to RX 5700 xt between fsu and timespy?

Grim5 · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:24

KentMan said:
Big if true

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1319372044035907614?s=19

This is literatly what I posted as my estimates a few minutes ago

Maybe they guy is reading this forum and just copied me

Grim5 said:
Ah ok, well that is the 6800XT from what he claims cause the 6800XT codename is Navi21XT and 6900XT codename is Navi21XTX. That FSU score is directly on par with the RTX3080 while the RTX3090 gains another 2k points on top of that

So here is a list from what I gather

RX5700XT: 6700 pts
RTX2080ti: 8600 pts
RTX3080: 10500 pts
RX6800XT: "Scores over 10k" - I'm assuming 10500 like the 3080
RX6900XT: Unknown - but given it's rumored to have 10% more CU's I'll assume its 11500 pts
RTX3090: 12500 pts

So the 6800XT is 57% faster than the 5700XT and 22% faster than the 2080ti

See lol

4K8KW10 · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:24

KentMan said:
Big if true

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1319372044035907614?s=19

Baby Big Navi

Nablaoperator · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:28

KentMan said:
Big if true

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1319372044035907614?s=19

Grim5 said:
This is literatly what I posted as my estimates a few minutes ago

Maybe they guy is reading this forum and just copied me

See lol

Hmm.. I would tend to believe that it is the 6800xt cuz AMD is keeping the 6900 too close to it's chest

Rroff · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:31

Nablaoperator said:
Do you think it could scale similarly to RX 5700 xt between fsu and timespy?

I don't know enough about how they approached the feature implementations in Time Spy - I'd hope some of the shader refinements gave an improvement in performance from FSU to Time Spy compared to RDNA 1 but I can't be sure.

gpuerrilla · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:33

If its meandering around the level of 3080, both beating one another in select cases, its a great achievement to get from a 5700XT to this. They need to have stock and it be around £600 then its job done.

Mr Oblong · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:37

Marak said:
I’m sorry chap but Twinz is entirely correct, names are irrelevant it’s just price, performance and power consumption that matter (maybe aesthetics if you like your bling too).

Your argument about the entry level being £700 in that case is missing the point. Just because older GPU lines went by a certain nomenclature doesn’t mean you should expect the same from a new line.

Simply look at what performance your budget gets you today compared to the last time you bought and make your buying decision. Then look at the name and whether it’s called the FerretMAXXX 30000 or the Navi 21 should make no difference at all.

You're not comparing like for like though: FerretMAXXX uses hairy capacitors and there are numerous reports of biting.

KentMan said:
Big if true

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1319372044035907614?s=19

Small if false

Th0nt said:
I followed Ryzen but didnt upgrade till 3000 series. AMD built the cores and speed gradually refining it, they offered the zen and zen+ cheaper till they caught intel. This is the same approach I think they will do with Radeon, they cant charge the same till its the same performance and even then they only got bolder with Zen this time as it is purely better than intel and the mindshare is now established (took them a while to grow it).

That's my point, when they had something top end they priced it accordingly. A 3080 level card would be great as a bargain, but AMD know it's worth good money.

Th0nt said:
Ch-ch-ch-ch-choooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I'm with you, ride this hype train all the way down to hell!

KentMan · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:38

Pic of Potentially a Big Navi Partner Board on Videocardz https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-navi-21-engineering-board-photo-leaked