AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

pugheaven · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:51

Satchfanuk said:
Ray Tracing is so important to him that he skipped the 20 series

I noticed that... that important he's running a 1000 series rofl

LePhuronn · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:52

Satchfanuk said:
Ray Tracing is so important to him that he skipped the 20 series

To be fair, if ray tracing is important to you then you wouldn't have bothered spending the money on Turing just to turn RT off in the 3 games that implemented it

Rroff · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:55

LePhuronn said:
To be fair, if ray tracing is important to you then you wouldn't have bothered spending the money on Turing just to turn RT off in the 3 games that implemented it

True - as I've said before only the 2080ti is worth anything for RT in that generation and blow spending 2080ti prices on a GPU unless you absolutely need to.

LePhuronn · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:57

danlightbulb said:
There is no real evidence to suggest that AMD would price their cards much cheaper if they were competitive with Ampere, as they've not had a card at that position in the market for some time.

I'd go further and suggest the Radeon VII shows AMD will match prices if they can spin some wins against the equivalent Nvidia card. The Radeon VII kinda punched with the 2080 but not enough to warrant the same price, but slap on the PR claims of "first 7nm" and "16GB VRAM with 1TB/s bandwidth" then that (in AMD's mind) justified price parity.

Hell, if that recent leak puts the 6800XT over the 3080, I'd half expect it to come in at $699 - superior raster performance, RT equivalent to Turing which Nvidia boasted was acceptable and 6GB more RAM is clearly worth an extra 50 bucks in AMD's eyes.

pugheaven · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:57

Martini1991 said:
You're going to be extremely disappointed then going forward.

100% agree and it's a shame isn't it... wasn't being awkward with the pricing I agree with you... none of us wanna pay mental prices, it's disgusting tbh, but it is what it is, and we all have our top value, I think mine right now is £1k... and as I'm writing that I'm thinking wtf... that's disgraceful... then I'll see benchmarks, I'll get excited and I'll click buy then wait 3 months for stock rofl

Soapysage · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:57

Rroff said:
True - as I've said before only the 2080ti is worth anything for RT in that generation and blow spending 2080ti prices on a GPU unless you absolutely need to.

Like with any new tech, it's usually the 2nd or 3rd generation of it that it becomes worthwhile to have and use. Turing was the introduction of it, Ampere/RDNA2/consoles are bringing it more to the masses, it's then Hopper/RDNA3 where it'll be a lot better.

pugheaven · 23 Oct 2020 at 17:59

Soapysage said:
Like with any new tech, it's usually the 2nd or 3rd generation of it that it becomes worthwhile to have and use. Turing was the introduction of it, Ampere/RDNA2/consoles are bringing it more to the masses, it's then Hopper/RDNA3 where it'll be a lot better.

Agree... I don't think we're quite there yet... it's better a lot better but.... We might get the next nVidia series 4000 causes the switch to RT then i.e. we get the performance that we got with rasta but with RT on now... who knows... but I still think for gaming RT right now on current spec hardware is still a niche market... but we shall see how development of it comes along.

humbug · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:00

LePhuronn said:
To be fair, if ray tracing is important to you then you wouldn't have bothered spending the money on Turing just to turn RT off in the 3 games that implemented it

Anyone with anything less than a 2080ti at 1440P reading this is secretly nodding. What a wast of die space, its literally transistors for marketing.

LePhuronn · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:01

humbug said:
What a wast of die space, its literally transistors for marketing.

Same with DLSS. Silicon sat there doing nothing unless implemented, and the cards which would benefit the most didn't have enough silicon to do the job.

Vince · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:02

pugheaven said:
Christ it took me 3 minuets to scroll past it rofl rofl rofl

Th0nt said:
OMG had to go to 4k and change rez to get a mouthful of that vector wooah!

It's a beauty for sure! I'm not sure I have fully recovered yet.

gpuerrilla · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:03

pugheaven said:
100% agree and it's a shame isn't it... wasn't being awkward with the pricing I agree with you... none of us wanna pay mental prices, it's disgusting tbh, but it is what it is, and we all have our top value, I think mine right now is £1k... and as I'm writing that I'm thinking wtf... that's disgraceful... then I'll see benchmarks, I'll get excited and I'll click buy then wait 3 months for stock rofl

PS5 it is then!

Xelene · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:05

Soapysage said:
Like with any new tech, it's usually the 2nd or 3rd generation of it that it becomes worthwhile to have and use. Turing was the introduction of it, Ampere/RDNA2/consoles are bringing it more to the masses, it's then Hopper/RDNA3 where it'll be a lot better.

See Zen.

(Following not aimed at Soapysage)

Also, 5700xt was a midrange part with 40CU and no ray tracing aimed at being competitive against the 2070, which it was and is at an exceptionally good $ / FPS ratio. The 6800 and 6900 are not aiming at the same market segment so don't expect them to be priced so low. Fully expect the 6600/6700 to be absolute banging low to high mid range cards.

I'm probably going to skip this generation, 5700xt is absolutely fine for solid 60fps on AAA at near max settings 1440p gaming and high framerate on stuff that needs it. If the roadmap is correct, RDNA3 will be epic.

Nablaoperator · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:06

Soapysage said:
https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1319674037686161411?s=20

Update Big Navi Firestrike Ultra benchmark
6800XT AIB: ~12800 RTX 3090 FE: ~12400 RTX 3080 FE: ~10600 -> 6900XT: 14000??

I just saw that.. he is just repeating Yuko's numbers and Yuko believes those numbers correspond to the 80 CU part..
its getting a bit circular now

LePhuronn said:
I'd half expect it to come in at $699 - superior raster performance, RT equivalent to Turing which Nvidia boasted was acceptable and 6GB more RAM is clearly worth an extra 50 bucks in AMD's eyes.

The thing about prices this launch season...is that they will also signal availability. So the double whammy, high prices and low availability. Atleast you wont feel ripped off cuz you are paying manufacturer set prices

Soapysage · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:07

kohlditz said:
See Zen.

(Following not aimed at Soapysage)

Also, 5700xt was a midrange part with 40CU and no ray tracing aimed at being competitive against the 2070, which it was and is at an exceptionally good $ / FPS ratio. The 6800 and 6900 are not aiming at the same market segment so don't expect them to be priced so low. Fully expect the 6600/6700 to be absolute banging low to high mid range cards.

I'm probably going to skip this generation, 5700xt is absolutely fine for solid 60fps on AAA at near max settings 1440p gaming and high framerate on stuff that needs it. If the roadmap is correct, RDNA3 will be epic.

Plus apparently N22, the 40CU chip punches well above it's class. RDNA3 is going to be a bit like Zen 4, big changes from the previous versions.

Vince · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:08

The real question to be asking in this thread is can we hit 200 pages of absolute waffle before launch. That is the question ive been asking myself now for probably the last week.

Soapysage · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:09

Nablaoperator said:
I just saw that.. he is just repeating Yuko's numbers and Yuko believes those numbers correspond to the 80 CU part..
its getting a bit circular now

The thing about prices this launch season...is that they will also signal availability. So the double whammy, high prices and low availability. Atleast you wont feel ripped off cuz you are paying manufacturer set prices

Apparently Yuko is just getting everything from Weibo

gpuerrilla · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:09

Vince said:
The real question to be asking in this thread is can we hit 200 pages of absolute waffle before launch. That is the question ive been asking myself now for probably the last week.

I bet 800 pages on the big day a few days back!

Vince · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:10

Th0nt said:
I bet 800 pages on the big day a few days back!

800 pages... no chance, we are on page 159 (please tell me you use man size pages)... :rolleyes:

noob!

Nablaoperator · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:11

Soapysage said:
Apparently Yuko is just getting everything from Weibo

So how should i be reading a leaker who went from 11500 to 12800 in a span of 12 hours?

Screenbeat · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:12

Can't get the hang of this quote thing!

I have almost 800 pages

gpuerrilla · 23 Oct 2020 at 18:12

Vince said:
800 pages... no chance, we are on page 159 (please tell me you use man size pages)... noob!

Well if we go by them images last page then 10,0000