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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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I really don't want to get involved too much with debates like this, i fell for the RX 480 = 980TI hype, tho today its not a million miles away from that.....
Haha. I never forget that. Wccftech got you real good that time :p

In your place I still would have made do with your 1070 for a while longer until the next gen cards come out this year. When you look back later this year it will seem like another own goal upgradeing to a 5700 XT this late :p:D
 
Haha. I never forget that. Wccftech got you real good that time :p

In your place I still would have made do with your 1070 for a while longer until the next gen cards come out this year. When you look back later this year it will seem like another own goal upgradeing to a 5700 XT this late :p:D

There is always something new around the corner... :)
 
There is always something new around the corner... :)
Indeed. But there is also a time where price for performance makes a leap, I usually like to upgrade around those times :)

By the way, did you ever get the email I sent to you via trust? Might have gone into your junk mail, no big deal though :p
 
The price of 2080Ti performance needs to be the same price as an Xbox Series X / PS5 and not a penny more or I will be going console until the price is reasonable enough for me to upgrade. No way will I be getting ripped off paying over the odds for 2 year old performance levels.

Even then, if the next gen GPU that performs close to 2080ti levels is the same price as a XSX or PS5 I might still go console because your getting a whole system for that price including a brand new controller. Nvidia and AMD really need to be extremely competitive with their prices or I for one will be going console.
 
Indeed. But there is also a time where price for performance makes a leap, I usually like to upgrade around those times :)

By the way, did you ever get the email I sent to you via trust? Might have gone into your junk mail, no big deal though :p

Funny enough i'm selling a card and had a look through my trust for some info and saw your comment there, i'll look at it later mate kinda busy right now :)
 
I've no doubt Nvidia will keep something back so as to take the top spot as and when needed, but where AMD could really delivery a killer blow is large volumes of the 80 CU product with similar margins to the 5700. That would have Nvidia very worried and also imho why Nvidia will release Ampere first to try and establish the 2020 price points on their terms.
 
Funny enough i'm selling a card and had a look through my trust for some info and saw your comment there, i'll look at it later mate kinda busy right now :)
Naturally. Bet you are benching away. I do enjoy doing that and making comparisons to my old card when I get a new card :)
 
The 2080TI should have cost £700-£800 tops. Instead Nvidia tried it on and enough people bit to let them carry on taking the p$$. I wouldn't buy 2080ti performance for £700 now, yes a year or two ago but that ship has sailed.
I'll wait it out and I've bought SLI Titan Xps in my time so I'm not averse to spending on performance. £500 is the maximum anyone should expect to pay for that performance from next generation cards unless the buyer is so brainwashed
by Jensen that they 'just buy it'. If people want to bend over that's up to them but I'm keeping by buttocks firmly clenched.
I agree a £700 AMD 2080 Ti beater won't be a great deal or achievement 2 years on but struggle to see how it's fair for us as consumers to tell a company what they should sell something for. Heck, I read the other day that Ferrari make £75k profit per car.....I mean that's more profit per car than you can buy a brand new BMW M3 for and a Ferrari isn't really THAT much faster or better, and probably less reliable...… The point is, NV brought us new tech with the 20 series and there was huge demand for them and no competition, hence they could push the pricing further. Both RT and DLSS seem to have evolved pretty well now, lining up a great 3*** generation.
So, there won't be people telling ferrari what they shouldbe selling their cars for and I don't think it's fair to be trying to tell NV that their latest GPU which had zero compeition should have been sold for £700-800 tops either :). Besides, at even £800 you'd probably not have been able to get your hands on one anyway due to the sheer demand it would have created. If there was competition for the 2*** series I have no doubt pricing would have better. The two years of debate over their pricing unfortunately justifies NV'd pricing strategy IMO. People wouldn't have given a damn if they didn't want one :)

It'll be good to see how next gen AMD GPU's stack up against NV'd next release. Comparing to current NV GPU's will be pointless, assuming AMD launch big navi before NV do the 3*** series
 
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I agree a £700 AMD 2080 Ti beater won't be a great deal or achievement 2 years on but struggle to see how it's fair for us as consumers to tell a company what they should sell something for. Heck, I read the other day that Ferrari make £75k profit per car.....I mean that's more profit per car than you can buy a brand new BMW M3 for and a Ferrari isn't really THAT much faster or better, and probably less reliable...… The point is, NV brought us new tech with the 20 series and there was huge demand for them and no competition, hence they could push the pricing further. Both RT and DLSS seem to have evolved pretty well now, lining up a great 3*** generation.
So, there won't be people telling ferrari what they shouldbe selling their cars for and I don't think it's fair to be trying to tell NV that their latest GPU which had zero compeition should have been sold for £700-800 tops either :). Besides, at even £800 you'd probably not have been able to get your hands on one anyway due to the sheer demand it would have created.

It'll be good to see how next gen AMD GPU's stack up against NV'd next release. Comparing to current NV GPU's will be pointless, assuming AMD launch big navi before NV do the 3*** series
Do you work for nvidia sir? :p

There is nothing wrong with people telling them that. Not like they have to listen. End of the day they have better data that shows them what people are willing to pay based on what they did with the 2000 series anyways.
 
Do you work for nvidia sir? :p

There is nothing wrong with people telling them that. Not like they have to listen. End of the day they have better data that shows them what people are willing to pay based on what they did with the 2000 series anyways.
Agree, but to be it seems rather daft to me. If anything, it justifies NV on their pricing strategy.
Ironically many of the early complainers probably have a 20 series card now. It's only the tightwads who haven't bought one, and there's nothing wrong with that of course :D
 
Agree, but to be it seems rather daft to me. If anything, it justifies NV on their pricing strategy.
Ironically many of the early complainers probably have a 20 series card now. It's only the tightwads who haven't bought one, and there's nothing wrong with that of course :D
I did not buy it and yes I am tight, relative to most people I know anyway :D

I will likely buy a 3000 series GPU however (the proper RTX cards). Thanks for beta testing by the way :p:)
 
I did not buy it and yes I am tight, relative to most people I know anyway :D

I will likely buy a 3000 series GPU however (the proper RTX cards). Thanks for beta testing by the way :p:)
I'm still on voodoo 1 :p. NV 3*** will only be beta for 4*** if you want to look at it like that, likewise Ryzen 1 was beta for 2 3 etc. Probably for a good few generations now NV & others are going to make huge leaps forward with RT. Have to be careful with the beta definition in regards to early release of new technology......
 
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I'm still on voodoo 1 :p. NV 3*** will only be beta for 4*** if you want to look at it like that, likewise Ryzen 1 was beta for 2 3 etc. Probably for a good few generations now NV & others are going to make huge leaps forward with RT.

I get what you are saying but I disagree. We only are now getting proper dlss in the form of dlss 2.0 which is what dlss was meant to be from the get go. Also only later this year will we finally see some decent games coming out that make use of ray tracing. I am really looking forward to the likes of Cyberpunk 2077, Dying Light 2 and Vampire Masquerades Bloodlines 2 :D
 
I get what you are saying but I disagree. We only are now getting proper dlss in the form of dlss 2.0 which is what dlss was meant to be from the get go. Also only later this year will we finally see some decent games coming out that make use of ray tracing. I am really looking forward to the likes of Cyberpunk 2077, Dying Light 2 and Vampire Masquerades Bloodlines 2 :D
Yep, but many have still enjoyed using early RT and DLSS. Each to their own! It was obvious it was going to evolve quickly. Without NV working with developers closely and gamers using the GPU's, 3*** cards & the software side of things wouldnt be where they will be. But that's not beta testing :), that's heavy R&D and the evolving of new technology. I want AMD to do well too but they're already missing out on this early R&D unless they can capitalise from the work NV has already done somehow.
RT is obviously not just about the hardware but the software side of things too. If developers cant use it due to no experience then hardware RT would be wasted.
 
Yep, but many have still enjoyed using early RT and DLSS. Each to their own! It was obvious it was going to evolve quickly. Without NV working with developers closely and gamers using the GPU's, 3*** cards & the software side of things wouldn't be where they will be. But that's not beta testing :), that's heavy R&D and the evolving of new technology. I want AMD to do well too but they're already missing out on this early R&D unless they can capitalise from the work NV has already done somehow.
But when I say beta testing, you know what I am saying :p;)
 
RT is obviously not just about the hardware but the software side of things too. If developers cant use it due to no experience then hardware RT would be wasted.
I get that. I am not disagreeing with any of that. I am just glad I skipped the 2000 series and will be a lot more comfortable coming on board with the 3000 series :)

Will you be upgrading yourself?
 
But when I say beta testing, you know what I am saying
my understanding of it is different, being someone who has worked in the hardware and software side of things including through beta testing stages, working very closely with the end users. When 2*** owners received their GPU's I'm fairly sure there was no URL for them to raise bugs or even give their feedback .
I get where you're coming from too but IMO it's entirely different. I'm a great fan out putting stuff out there for users to use, learn, feedback on, help to evolve into exactly what they really want and to give the best experience. Folks can call that beta testing maybe but software and hardware is so complex now.
Games for example are so complex, if the software house waited until it was all fully tested, it would take years probably to get the games out there.
Will you be upgrading yourself?
Probably although to be honest I'm hardly gaming at the moment. The 2080 actually got me into gaming a lot more due to enjoying trying RT etc. I've still got a lot of older games to get through so might hold off at least for a while.
Oh and definitely, the 3*** series will be a lot better. Said all along that if people wanted to skip the 2*** series that wasn't a bad decision. Software and hardware side of things will have evolved together and on 7nm too so should all come together very well.
 
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my understanding of it is different, being someone who has worked in the hardware and software side of things including through beta testing stages, working very closely with the end users. When 2*** owners received their GPU's I'm fairly sure there was no URL for them to raise bugs or even give their feedback .
It seems you did not get what I meant then. I do not think people who are saying 2000 series users are beta testing mean it literally. It is just a tongue in cheek metaphor and to me at least it is obvious why it is so broadly used :p:D
 
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