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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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It seems you did not get what I meant then. I do not think people who are saying 2000 series users are beta testing mean it literally. It is just a tongue in cheek metaphor and to me at least it is obvious why it is so broadly used :p:D
yes, I did also realise that! But it it's a term frequently incorrectly used :D. Ie, a few bugs are found and "Why are we paying to beta test xyz product?" followed by outrage :).
 
yes, I did also realise that! But it it's a term frequently incorrectly used :D. Ie, a few bugs are found and "Why are we paying to beta test xyz product?" followed by outrage :).
Haha. My comment stands, thanks for beta testing the 2000 series for me. Looking forward to the 3000 series :D

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Haha. My comment stands, thanks for beta testing the 2000 series for me. Looking forward to the 3000 series :D

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You're welcome, it's been an honour. While others have enjoyed their old tech, I've had pretty graphics, gigarays and....slow frame rates. But if you blink more often you hardly notice it :).
Well lets hope it's not a chunk more expensive than the 2000 series otherwise we might as well just replay all the pricing comments from the past 2 years :D. I doubt that will be the case, maybe even a bit cheaper?.
I'm looking forward to the Navi 23 too just to see how far AMD have progressed. They've done well with the CPU's, very well in fact but I'm just not sure they can pull out a surprise against NV just yet.
 
You're welcome, it's been an honour. While others have enjoyed their old tech, I've had pretty graphics, gigarays and....slow frame rates. But if you blink more often you hardly notice it :).
Well lets hope it's not a chunk more expensive than the 2000 series otherwise we might as well just replay all the pricing comments from the past 2 years :D. I doubt that will be the case, maybe even a bit cheaper?.
I'm looking forward to the Navi 23 too just to see how far AMD have progressed. They've done well with the CPU's, very well in fact but I'm just not sure they can pull out a surprise against NV just yet.
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I agree a £700 AMD 2080 Ti beater won't be a great deal or achievement 2 years on but struggle to see how it's fair for us as consumers to tell a company what they should sell something for. Heck, I read the other day that Ferrari make £75k profit per car.....I mean that's more profit per car than you can buy a brand new BMW M3 for and a Ferrari isn't really THAT much faster or better, and probably less reliable...… The point is, NV brought us new tech with the 20 series and there was huge demand for them and no competition, hence they could push the pricing further. Both RT and DLSS seem to have evolved pretty well now, lining up a great 3*** generation.
So, there won't be people telling ferrari what they shouldbe selling their cars for and I don't think it's fair to be trying to tell NV that their latest GPU which had zero compeition should have been sold for £700-800 tops either :). Besides, at even £800 you'd probably not have been able to get your hands on one anyway due to the sheer demand it would have created. If there was competition for the 2*** series I have no doubt pricing would have better. The two years of debate over their pricing unfortunately justifies NV'd pricing strategy IMO. People wouldn't have given a damn if they didn't want one :)

It'll be good to see how next gen AMD GPU's stack up against NV'd next release. Comparing to current NV GPU's will be pointless, assuming AMD launch big navi before NV do the 3*** series

I don't agree with what you said but understand that PoV. I guess what we can agree on is "pricing doesn't have to be fair" you can see many examples of that in far more important markets like utility and medicines its the world we currently live in like it or not.

A GPU is not like a Ferrari in any sense its a really bad example to draw an analogy with. It would be more like a supercharger on the engine with improvements and gains to power delivery every few years and different product skus. For most people a GPU is a black box inside a bigger box that accelerates graphics how it performs is far more important than who makes it, what it looks like and the retail experience.

What I think it all boils down to is Nvidia not fundamentally giving gamers/consumers enough of a better product whilst using its market dominance to force prices up significantly. Add to that restricted supply, embargo on reviewers that speak truth and gimping features to control performance. Until the 2070S came out product sales were down significantly with Turing whilst I think Gamers Nexus described the 2080S as one of the most uninteresting products ever. This all invokes critism which I think is well justified and features like RT and DLSS might seem great until you realise you're paying a lot for something that basically you can rarely use if at all. We have a new product launch later this year and still a basic 2080Ti is pushing £1.1k, I can imagine Nvidia sitting on a stockpile of Turing silicon willing to dump it in the ocean just to hold price points wouldn't surprise me at all.

What people are trying to tell Nvidia is that they are frustrated and why they are frustrated. Initially it was on reliability but more broadly speaking its pricing.
 
What people are trying to tell Nvidia is that they are frustrated and why they are frustrated. Initially it was on reliability but more broadly speaking its pricing.
Yep. Yet you have people in here seem to be happy with the idea the 3070 will cost £600. The mind boggles.
 
Yep. Yet you have people in here seem to be happy with the idea the 3070 will cost £600. The mind boggles.
Not happy, I just see it as sort of inevitable. We've gone past the point of no return, and we've set course for ever-increasing prices, yet still people keep buying.

That's the key. People keep buying at whatever price nV sets. So things won't change, and neither will our trajectory (of cards getting more expensive).

These days paying anything less than £450 on a GPU makes you a "tightwad". That's the mid-range pricing, y'all.
 
These days paying anything less than £450 on a GPU makes you a "tightwad". That's the mid-range pricing, y'all.
Haha. Yeah.

I would not mind paying even more than that, but not for a bloody 3070 which will be their 4th tier card...

People keep going on about yeah but if it is 2080 Ti performance... So bloody what, it has always been that way, price for performance improves over time.
 
The price of the 2080TI is disgraceful in anyones book, sorry, I'm running my 5700XT and bought that for £279 and the cheapest 2080TI on OC is £1,099... in what way can nVidia justify that price tag? 3.94x the price of a 5700XT and not the relevant performance gain is disgusting!

If AMD release the daddy Navi card at £499 that to me in this day and age (as in 2020 with the current crisis) people will rush out and buy it. Once cards start going to £699 and above... people will just get the next gen PS5 and Xbox as I do think some peiople are now getting a little cheesed off (deffo me and I can afford one but just don't want to spend that much anymore)... unless youv'e got a ton of money or simply want the best... however I think the world especially this year has changed. AMD got the price of the 5700XT absolutely nailed there... if they can keep their prices realistic... who knows! However I can't see it being £499, probably £699...
 
Haha. Yeah.

I would not mind paying even more than that, but not for a bloody 3070 which will be their 4th tier card...

People keep going on about yeah but if it is 2080 Ti performance... So bloody what, it has always been that way, price for performance improves over time.

The whole "tier" thing doesn't seem to relevant for making a GPU purchase beyond bragging rights.

If there were some major break through where GPU performance advanced far beyond software and hardware to the point where a $150 RTX 3050 could run every title, maxed out, at 240fps in 4k, I would gladly buy one.

I don't care what "tier" it is. I want performance, and I want more performance for a given price.
 
People keep going on about yeah but if it is 2080 Ti performance... So bloody what, it has always been that way, price for performance improves over time.
I have to assume that people really enjoy the feeling of bending over... :p
 
...it has always been that way, price for performance improves over time.

Im not following. I had a 290x and was looking to upgrade in 2018. After comparing the specs and pricing I concluded that for £320 (the time the price pointed at the 580; I spent £300 on the 290x with a free PSU deal) or thereabouts I was sidegrading. For supply/demand reasons and the pathetic improvements in hardware it was an example of how prices dont track items that closely, and the fact both vendors are eyeing up profits way too much. This meant a card I bought in 2013 had hardly improved for 5 years and actually the equivalent card had gone up in price expectation.
 
The whole "tier" thing doesn't seem to relevant for making a GPU purchase beyond bragging rights.

If there were some major break through where GPU performance advanced far beyond software and hardware to the point where a $150 RTX 3050 could run every title, maxed out, at 240fps in 4k, I would gladly buy one.

I don't care what "tier" it is. I want performance, and I want more performance for a given price.
Yeah so would I, but I do not see the relevance of such example as it is extremely unlikely to happen and even if it did it is obvious no one would care about tiers. The point I am making is clear, don’t see the point of nit picking the part about tiers.


I have to assume that people really enjoy the feeling of bending over... :p
Lol.


Im not following. I had a 290x and was looking to upgrade in 2018. After comparing the specs and pricing I concluded that for £320 (the time the price pointed at the 580; I spent £300 on the 290x with a free PSU deal) or thereabouts I was sidegrading. For supply/demand reasons and the pathetic improvements in hardware it was an example of how prices dont track items that closely, and the fact both vendors are eyeing up profits way too much. This meant a card I bought in 2013 had hardly improved for 5 years and actually the equivalent card had gone up in price expectation.
Wasn’t the 1070 better though? That could be had for like £350 as I recall or even less.

I could give you many examples or price for performance improvements. Only time things were a bit messed up was with the mining booms and also the 2000 series which apart from the 2070s have not improved price for performance by much.
 
I could give you many examples or price for performance improvements. Only time things were a bit messed up was with the mining booms and also the 2000 series which apart from the 2070s have not improved price for performance by much.

Im not sure how much the 1070 was, although I know the 1060 6Gb was £300 as I got one thats in another rig now. So it would have been way more near £400 IIR. I think the statement of price is the issue because we can accept inflation and the creep of going rate to some extent - what we have seen though is what once bought you a High end card is now only getting you a mid tier. This cannot be attributed to the mining boom as its in its worst state ever (negative mining profit for small scale, hardware so expensive it would take over 2 years to recoup outlay).

Prices tend to go up then stay there, the vendors are just shotgunning out refreshes so that the market has tons of cards at every price point.
 
Im not sure how much the 1070 was, although I know the 1060 6Gb was £300 as I got one thats in another rig now. So it would have been way more near £400 IIR. I think the statement of price is the issue because we can accept inflation and the creep of going rate to some extent - what we have seen though is what once bought you a High end card is now only getting you a mid tier. This cannot be attributed to the mining boom as its in its worst state ever (negative mining profit for small scale, hardware so expensive it would take over 2 years to recoup outlay).

Prices tend to go up then stay there, the vendors are just shotgunning out refreshes so that the market has tons of cards at every price point.
Well I got a Zotac 1070 Extreme edition on release from amazon for under £400 and that was one of the best coolers. I assumed cheaper versions would be closer to £350 at the very least. So from my experience price for performance has indeed always improved, even if that has slowed down of late.
 
Yep. Yet you have people in here seem to be happy with the idea the 3070 will cost £600. The mind boggles.


Yup seems very strange to me.

470 $349
570 $349
670 $400
770 $399
970 $329
1070 $379
1070ti $449
2070 $499
2070Super $499
3070 $600...????

Seems like a large jump to me, especially as this generation Nvidia have been heavily criticized over the pricing and of course it looks like they will have competition from AMD for this next generation as well.
I can see another $449 product maybe $499, but certainly not $600.
 
Another thing to remember is that the pound isn't worth as much now versus the dollar as it used to be.
 
Yup seems very strange to me.

470 $349
570 $349
670 $400
770 $399
970 $329
1070 $379
1070ti $449
2070 $499
2070Super $499
3070 $600...????

Seems like a large jump to me, especially as this generation Nvidia have been heavily criticized over the pricing and of course it looks like they will have competition from AMD for this next generation as well.
I can see another $449 product maybe $499, but certainly not $600.

+1

It’s like some are wishing it to be 600... lol. I would be surprised if it is a penny more than $499 to be honest.


Another thing to remember is that the pound isn't worth as much now versus the dollar as it used to be.

This is true. That is why I judge these companies based on the dollar release price. If it is $499 then I will do the conversion at the time myself and work out how much we are getting shafted and how much is too much of a shaft.
 
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