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Consoles will have a way to bolster up and squeeze more out of it. They have years of same hardware/software to perfect their tools.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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Can garauntee anytime Raytracing gets mentioned along comes this dude claiming its the 2nd coming of the Lord and doing all he can to downplay AMDs attempts.
@Grim5 if you had any sense you would realise the console and PCs are vastly different architectures and you cannot simply compare them like for like.
You seem to have either a continual issue understanding this or your a troll, or most probably both.
Ray Tracing is a gimmick, its not currently fit for purpose, the hardware is probably 2 to 3 gens away from being ready for mainstream.
But you shout around like its the second coming of the lord, unfortunately its not, and the handful of games that support it show this.
Yes we know it's coming to Cyberpunk, but lets bw honest, Ray Tracing right now is a screenshot setting, nothing more.
So just give it a rest, your pretty much the only person in this thread that cares about it. Perhaps you should create a new thread where you can harp on about its virtues there and all the rest of us who dont care can just ignore it?
Oh and in before DLSS is Baby Jesus too
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One thing is for sure now, this is no Vega launch AMD at the very least has some good performance GPUs this time
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Maybe they'll have a throwback and do the old bait 'n' switch again with the pricing
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Some will never see it like that. They will take pleasure in seeing the imperfections and focus on the shortcomings. At least that is my experience of reading the forums.
Maybe they'll have a throwback and do the old bait 'n' switch again with the pricing
Yeah Im hopoing they do a 5600XT by pulling out a bit extra with a better BIOS, and as they launch also drop another £50 that would be sweet.
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Hehe, who was your man again. Sideshowboob?
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Yeah that was some ultra weird fantasy thing going on there..
What's people thoughts on prices?
Part of me says if they lead on Raster they will charge similar to Nvidia but part of me wants to believe they may pull a Zen1 moment and massively cut the prices at the top end.
Like when they released the high end Zen1 and it beat that 6900x Intel chip in multithread and was literally half the price.
Just thinking that 6900 might be about £800-850, which if it is, im buying!
Top end 6800 i think will be £620
What's people thoughts on prices?
Part of me says if they lead on Raster they will charge similar to Nvidia but part of me wants to believe they may pull a Zen1 moment and massively cut the prices at the top end.
Like when they released the high end Zen1 and it beat that 6900x Intel chip in multithread and was literally half the price.
Just thinking that 6900 might be about £800-850, which if it is, im buying!
Top end 6800 i think will be £620
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Depends what they command for the 6900 and if it can be sourced. If its above the 3080, im oot (3080's on OcUK are currently starting at £700 and jack up there dependent on manuf.). Thats when Im hoping the 6800 is priced under the 3080 - the more the better.
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If the top AMD card beats the 3080 in raster, then I expect AMD to price higher than the 3080. Not much more, just something that says "ours is worth more". (This assumes AMD has margins that a allow for this)
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At this point just being in stock would be incentive enough honestly
RRP or AIB price? Because you ain't getting anything at RRP unless you win nvidia's lottery in the near future or quite likely, ever
RRP or AIB price? Because you ain't getting anything at RRP unless you win nvidia's lottery in the near future or quite likely, ever
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Not expecting supply to be particularly plentiful on these to be sure, and also expecting nVidia to hit back by May-ish with the Super line if Navi does turn out to be particularly powerful!
If nothing else it will teach nVidia not to be so arrogant in future when trying to beat down the leading foundry on price
(for a decade at least )
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That's one of my annoyances, people on the forum refer to the FE price but we know reality is the £700+ now, if you check my post I updated to the price as I checked what OcUK had them at before I edited.
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This lot is something else.That's one of my annoyances, people on the forum refer to the FE price but we know reality is the £700+ now, if you check my post I updated to the price as I checked what OcUK had them at before I edited.
Claiming that AMD will price higher (or as much as) when the competition doesn't have any stock to consider to validate the price point being asked.
Haa!
The pricing will be interesting to see...
On the one hand if AMD clearly win, then yeah of course they could charge more (though they probably couldn't go too nuts as they would have to be prepared for Nvidia to either cut prices or drop new more competitive SKUs)...
On the other hand you could argue that we find ourselves in a bit of a Zen 2 moment. When Zen2 Launched they were still in a similarly small share of the CPU market and didn't have the requisite mindshare yet among the DIY/enthusiast crowd to go out and charge the same or more per core vs Intel, even though they beat them in almost every metric other than gaming. Despite Zen2 being really very good, they still had to price competitively against Intel and that decision worked out great as shown by how much they grew their market and mind share with Zen2. Great product, great value.
Roll around Zen3 and now they (appear to) beat intel at pretty much everything, have a great growing brand image with Zen, and only now are they truly confident to start to raise prices to match.
I hope that this strategy applies here as well, given they are very much behind Nvidia in mindshare I'm not sure they can come out and price above if they want to win people over to their brand.... and that's especially true if it isn't a clean sweep. Even price/performance parity would likely lead to the majority sticking with what they know and the Nvidia marketing machine working its magic.
So my personal prediction (or more realistically hope!) is for marginally competitive pricing this gen offering just a bit more perf per dollar in traditional rasterization. If RDNA2 is successful in growing their market share and RDNA3 brings in even more wins or parity in areas other than rasterization, then that is when I believe you'll possibly switch to seeing AMD price like Nvidia or even above.
On top of the pure performance, I'm really interested to see if they are going to be doing anything exciting in the software stack like a buffed up FidelityFX or RIS, more anti-lag improvements, any AI based stuff to combat RTX Voice/Broadcast and so on. One thing I thought was quite deviously clever from Nvidia's standpoint is that they are managing to appeal specifically to content creators with RTX voice and RTX broadcast engine (even Paul from NAAF surprised me when he mentioned he was inclined to go Nvidia due to the content creator features!)... obviously it's great for them that they get direct sales to those content creators but more importantly if Streamer X or Creator Y is using Nvidia because of those features, it's also brilliant advertising and mindshare gain amongst his/her followers. As someone who invests in them it would be good to see AMD hijack that train even though those features hold no real personal interest for me.
On the one hand if AMD clearly win, then yeah of course they could charge more (though they probably couldn't go too nuts as they would have to be prepared for Nvidia to either cut prices or drop new more competitive SKUs)...
On the other hand you could argue that we find ourselves in a bit of a Zen 2 moment. When Zen2 Launched they were still in a similarly small share of the CPU market and didn't have the requisite mindshare yet among the DIY/enthusiast crowd to go out and charge the same or more per core vs Intel, even though they beat them in almost every metric other than gaming. Despite Zen2 being really very good, they still had to price competitively against Intel and that decision worked out great as shown by how much they grew their market and mind share with Zen2. Great product, great value.
Roll around Zen3 and now they (appear to) beat intel at pretty much everything, have a great growing brand image with Zen, and only now are they truly confident to start to raise prices to match.
I hope that this strategy applies here as well, given they are very much behind Nvidia in mindshare I'm not sure they can come out and price above if they want to win people over to their brand.... and that's especially true if it isn't a clean sweep. Even price/performance parity would likely lead to the majority sticking with what they know and the Nvidia marketing machine working its magic.
So my personal prediction (or more realistically hope!) is for marginally competitive pricing this gen offering just a bit more perf per dollar in traditional rasterization. If RDNA2 is successful in growing their market share and RDNA3 brings in even more wins or parity in areas other than rasterization, then that is when I believe you'll possibly switch to seeing AMD price like Nvidia or even above.
On top of the pure performance, I'm really interested to see if they are going to be doing anything exciting in the software stack like a buffed up FidelityFX or RIS, more anti-lag improvements, any AI based stuff to combat RTX Voice/Broadcast and so on. One thing I thought was quite deviously clever from Nvidia's standpoint is that they are managing to appeal specifically to content creators with RTX voice and RTX broadcast engine (even Paul from NAAF surprised me when he mentioned he was inclined to go Nvidia due to the content creator features!)... obviously it's great for them that they get direct sales to those content creators but more importantly if Streamer X or Creator Y is using Nvidia because of those features, it's also brilliant advertising and mindshare gain amongst his/her followers. As someone who invests in them it would be good to see AMD hijack that train even though those features hold no real personal interest for me.
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Agree @Zeeflyboy on top of your thoughts I hope they share a game bundle which always sweetens the blow. My current guess is the 6800XT will announce @ £599 but welcome anything undercutting further.
New games like Cyberpunk 2077 will be RT based. Also DLSS 2.1 can be applied to any game which means its x9 performance mode. This is an I win button for Nvidia for performance. Any game updated to run DLSS 2.1 will be faster on a Nvidia 20 or 30 series card. You could run the game at 720p and DLSS 2.1 will give you a 4k image at 60 fps. Or even 540p and get an 1080p output.
A RTX 2060 gets 8fps at 4k in Control but with DLSS 2.0 it gets 36.8fps. DLSS 2.0 performance mode.
https://youtu.be/d5knHzv0IQE?t=750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIKzRhYZm4
A RTX 2060 gets 8fps at 4k in Control but with DLSS 2.0 it gets 36.8fps. DLSS 2.0 performance mode.
https://youtu.be/d5knHzv0IQE?t=750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIKzRhYZm4
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