AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[kevman]

Next Thursday isn't it?

 

[gundamgeforce]

its wednesday it occurs the day before the 3070 is preordable

 

[Yaayuh!]

big Navi is only as fast as the 2080ti in ray tracing and those next gen gaming consoles about half as fast as big Navi - so the ps5 and series x have the ray tracing performance of a rtx2060 and 2060 super

I was more on about “nVidia wins the RTX” makes no sense lol .

 

[Richdog]

New MLID video:

He thinks Big Navi is going to be a package that overall, taking into account performance and VRAM amount, will cause Nvidia a lot of headaches at every price point.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

4K8K is at it again I see

Probably worth reminding everyone the conclusion I came to about him a while back:

Hahahaha! Brilliant.

 

[Grim5]

I was more on about “nVidia wins the RTX” makes no sense lol .

spelling mistake

New games like Cyberpunk 2077 will be RT based. Also DLSS 2.1 can be applied to any game which means its x9 performance mode. This is an I win button for Nvidia for performance. Any game updated to run DLSS 2.1 will be faster on a Nvidia 20 or 30 series card. You could run the game at 720p and DLSS 2.1 will give you a 4k image at 60 fps. Or even 540p and get an 1080p output.

A RTX 2060 gets 8fps at 4k in Control but with DLSS 2.0 it gets 36.8fps. DLSS 2.0 performance mode.

https://youtu.be/d5knHzv0IQE?t=750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIKzRhYZm4

That's only on 8k screen

 

[pugheaven]

The consumers have one very important weak point - they don't know what they want.
I am pretty sure that the only metric they care about is the price and they got screwed exactly in the price, got back only better single performance.
Is it worth it? No, of course not.

I, as hard supporter of AMD, will think twice before spending a single penny for a new Ryzen.

Why, because I am also a consumer and they didn't listen to me.

Weird, because the last time I looked on amazon.com, the top selling 10 CPU's, 9 of them are Ryzen with the most popualr CPU selling is the 3600x, looks like the public don't share your skewed view as Ryzen is now the biggest selling home CPU in DIY makers. And with Ryzen 5000 will continue to eat in to the market share. I reckon the comsumers know EXACTLY what they want... an all round vfm CPU.

 

[pugheaven]

New MLID video:

He thinks Big Navi is going to be a package that overall, taking into account performance and VRAM amount, will cause Nvidia a lot of headaches at every price point.

Strangely enough now, he's doing my head in telling us all how right he is every 30 seconds... yeah we know we know... jesus... coming across as some sort of smart @ss now...

 

[JediFragger]

From his highly reactive posts (often exaggeratedly so) , LePhuron is neurotic, that much is clear.

Nah, seems like a perfectly normal grumpy old ******* to me. Takes one

 

[Nablaoperator]

Still waiting for AMDs "Hold my beer" moment during their launch though, we all know AMD Never have a perfect launch

I will be reading into launch prices.. if AMD match or exceed Nvidia prices it would mean availability issues.

In another post I had done some yield analysis.. which is somehow not matching incoming leaks on product segmentation

TSMC 7nm
Defect density: 0.06 to 0.09 per sq cm
Chip size: 505 to 536 mm^2
Zero defect yields: 62-74%

Samsung 8nm
Defect density: 0.14 to 0.18 per sq cm
Chip size: 628 mm^2
Zero defect yields: 32-42%

I feel the 6800 XT and 6900XT/6800XTX would both pack 80 CUs, the XTX variant will clock higher.. also above scenario suggests better availability, but then AMD is coming from a marginal market share position and may not have enough stock to cover Nvidia's mess..
Let's see how it all pans out

 

[4K8KW10]

Weird, because the last time I looked on amazon.com, the top selling 10 CPU's, 9 of them are Ryzen with the most popualr CPU selling is the 3600x, looks like the public don't share your skewed view as Ryzen is now the biggest selling home CPU in DIY makers. And with Ryzen 5000 will continue to eat in to the market share. I reckon the comsumers know EXACTLY what they want... an all round vfm CPU.

These are a niche market - they don't matter so much in the grand picture of the things where Intel is well over 80% and 95% dominant.

 

[pugheaven]

These are a niche market - they don't matter so much in the grand picture of the things where Intel is well over 80% and 95% dominant.

That's one hell of a niche market on amazon and newegg then (two of the largest e-retailers in USA)... and if that market is so tiny makes my wonder why the head of AMD, Lisa Su and the 5000 series launch, WAS targeted at home users (this niche market) then because NONE of their presentation was targetted at major companies at all, it was primarily targeted at gamers/home users... so AMD maybe know something, i.e. it's not niche possibly?... and they're letting Threadripper dominate all multithreaded content speak for itself.... you dominate the home consumer market and you will filter into all opther markets, which is exactly what they're doing...

Millions upon millions of consoles from MS and Sony use Ryzen, millions upon millions of home users using Ryzen more and more... niche market? Mmmmmm... more and more producutvity people using threadripper.... you could argue the threadripper users would be niche... but that will expand...

 

[d_brennen]

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Don't feed the pigeons

 

[4K8KW10]

That's one hell of a niche market on amazon and newegg then (two of the largest e-retailers in USA)... and if that market is so tiny makes my wonder why the head of AMD, Lisa Su and the 5000 series launch, WAS targeted at home users (this niche market) then because NONE of their presentation was targetted at major companies at all, it was primarily targeted at gamers... so AMD maybe know something, i.e. it's not niche possibly?... and they're letting Threadripper dominate all multithreaded content speak for itself.... you dominate the home consumer market and you will filter into all opther markets, which is exactly what they're doing...

Millions upon millions of consoles from MS and Sony use Ryzen, millions upon millions of home users using Ryzen more and more... niche market? Mmmmmm... more and more producutvity people using threadripper....

The finances speak for themselves - AMD also participates in the graphics, console business and yet it's revenue is below 10% of Intel's:


https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.ne...eports_Second_Quarter_2020_Financial_1402.pdf


https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.ne...Reports_Second_Quarter_2020_Financial_963.pdf

These numbers are what really matters - includes servers and OEMs.

AMD is like the Huawei of the PC market, while Intel and Nvidia are like the Teslas, Mercedeses and Audis of the PC market.

 

[TNA]

Hahahaha! Brilliant.

 

[pugheaven]

The finances speak for themselves - AMD also participates in the graphics, console business and yet it's revenue is below 10% of Intel's:

AMD is like the Huawei of the PC market, while Intel and Nvidia are like the Teslas, Mercedeses and Audis of the PC market.

I've got absolutely no reply for this. And by showing finances of a company, by default, that means AMD Ryzen series is a niche market even though it's now producing the fastest CPU's in the world for single, multithreaded and gaming performance and will soon (if rumours are true) be selling the fastest GPU's in the world thus beating the "teslas, Mercedes and Audis" of the world.

Fine yep, AMD = Huawei rofl.

 

[4K8KW10]

I've got absolutely no reply for this. And by showing finances of a company, by default, that means AMD Ryzen series is a niche market even though it's now producing the fastest CPU's in the world for single, multithreaded and gaming performance and will soon (if rumours are true) be selling the fastest GPU's in the world thus beating the "teslas, Mercedes and Audis" of the world.

Fine yep, AMD = Huawei rofl.

I will tell you one thing - there is a reason why the IT departments globally don't want to use AMD.
In this case, Intel is right - AMD's support is weak.

I'm sure you know better than the entirety of AMD's engineering, marketing and sales departments. If only they could act on this amazing wisdom you have for them?!

With regards to servers, not all companies go out and buy new server hardware every year so growing the share will naturally take time. Also if other businesses are anything like the one i work for it takes a while to convince the key people that they should move away from Intel when they've been on Intel forever. No IT department wants to be responsible for breaking apps and things by moving them to new processors/hardware unless they are sure it will be seamless. Of course cost comes into it and cheaper is always a good bargaining chip but architecture moves are rarely straight forward.

 

[montymint]

AMD is like the Huawei of the PC market, while Intel and Nvidia are like the Teslas, Mercedeses and Audis of the PC market.

 

[Hedge]

I will tell you one thing - there is a reason why the IT departments globally don't want to use AMD.
In this case, Intel is right - AMD's support is weak.

Are you not just stating the obvious now?

Intel have been a big player in that market for decades. They hold the monopoly on it. I dont think anyone is implying Amd can change that over night.

 

[KentMan]

Guys just put him on ignore, makes this thread a ton easier to read, everyone knows hes a troll