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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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humbug said:
Everyone but you agrees AMD's CPU's are better than Intel's which is why 9 out of 10 choosing their own CPU's buy AMD.
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Whoa whoa whoa! General all-round yes, but until Zen3 the high-end Intel's were slightly better for gaming which is what I based my decision on. I expect Zen3 to soundly beat the Intels once out!! :)
 
I assume people have seen this.

Finally a proper comparison with TimeSpy Extreme (an actual benchmark which properly tests the cards instead of Fire Strike which abnormally made the Radeon VII and 5700 XT look amazing and is equally crazy with RDNA2). E438 beats the 3080.

 
Muzy said:
so nvidia wins the RTX.
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Well, considering that RTX is an nVidia 'thing' I would certainly hope they win.

As for Ray Tracing, which is what I assume you actually meant, then we don't know for sure but it looks like AMD will be behind.

But if you look at how many people said RT was great on 2080ti and AMD is ahead of this, I guess you could argue the performance will be good enough :P
 
Satchfanuk said:
Well, considering that RTX is an nVidia 'thing' I would certainly hope they win.

As for Ray Tracing, which is what I assume you actually meant, then we don't know for sure but it looks like AMD will be behind.

But if you look at how many people said RT was great on 2080ti and AMD is ahead of this, I guess you could argue the performance will be good enough :p
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You make a valid point and being a 2080Ti owner, I am happy with the performance of RT in games. I am more of a gfx whore over frame rates though.
 
Based on the leaks so far it looks like Bumhug's GPU clock calculations were nearly 100% accurate when i did not believe it was possible. I will capitulate based on the leaked information. It looks like AMD have somehow managed it.

@humbug

this thread right now:

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Satchfanuk said:
Well, considering that RTX is an nVidia 'thing' I would certainly hope they win.

As for Ray Tracing, which is what I assume you actually meant, then we don't know for sure but it looks like AMD will be behind.

But if you look at how many people said RT was great on 2080ti and AMD is ahead of this, I guess you could argue the performance will be good enough :p
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How about DLSS2.0 and 2.1? did you consider this ?
 
humbug said:
AMD will keep growing, they have taken market share from Intel over they last few years and that will continue, these things don't happen overnight.
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I would be quite confident in predicting that AMD would have to be miles ahead of Intel for 10-15 years, before many IT depts would consider switching.

The position of many IT purchasers is that they are entrenched with Intel. Intel dominates perceptions. They have the mindshare and how.

Even if they acknowledge that AMD are ahead right now (and they don't necessarily), the perception is that Intel is the safe bet. Intel works. Intel has the best support. Intel will catch up and overtake AMD and this will just be a blip.

It depts don't want to switch to AMD because they have used only Intel for the last two decades.

AMD isn't going to make a dent unless they consistently out-perform Intel over the next 10 to 15 years.

HRL said:
Think you’re forgetting that most business only refresh their hardware every 3 years or so.

I would be very surprised not to see a greater uptake of AMD products over the next couple of years. Intel will have to pull it out of the bag to avoid it at this rate IMO.
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You'll probably be surprised, then. Most places will keep buying Intel. There is a huge resistance to change at play here.
 
Nablaoperator said:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-partner...-china-october/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think I will just do a Zen 3 upgrade this time.. graphics cards seems an unhealthy obsession in 2020
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What I can't understand is... why? Why is there such low stock unavailability? Its not a simple demand issue as Gibbo said its very high demand plus very low stock availability and Nvidia themselves said there will be shortages until 2021 so whats going on, is it simply that the production lines aren't up to speed yet or are they at low capacity due to the virus (if reports from China are to be believed they've got that under control) so it must be something else if so, what? Was it a jump the queue paper launch that Nvidia knew couldn't be fulfilled? The total lack of information doesn't help Nvidia are being very tight lipped.

The article states "a majority of users are now even considering switching to AMD's Radeon RX 6000 series" uh huh, thats assuming they don't have the same issues as well.
 
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muon said:
I assume people have seen this.

Finally a proper comparison with TimeSpy Extreme (an actual benchmark which properly tests the cards instead of Fire Strike which abnormally made the Radeon VII and 5700 XT look amazing and is equally crazy with RDNA2). E438 beats the 3080.

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And that's the cut down die, the full die is not AIB, its AMD exclusive.

Besty said:
Based on the leaks so far it looks like Bumhug's GPU clock calculations were nearly 100% accurate when i did not believe it was possible. I will capitulate based on the leaked information. It looks like AMD have somehow managed it.

@humbug

this thread right now:

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n3jQiqB
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:) i'll do my victory dance when its all confirmed
 
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Blackjack Davy said:
What I can't understand is... why? Why is there such low stock unavailability? Its not a simple demand issue as Gibbo said its very high demand plus very low stock availability and Nvidia themselves said there will be shortages until 2021 so whats going on, is it simply that the production lines aren't up to speed yet or are they at low capacity due to the virus (if reports from China are to be believed they've got that under control) so it must be something else if so, what? Was it a jump the queue paper launch that Nvidia knew couldn't be fulfilled? The total lack of information doesn't help Nvidia are being very tight lipped.

The article states "a majority of users are now even considering switching to AMD's Radeon RX 6000 series" uh huh, thats assuming they don't have the same issues as well.
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It'll be a mix of a few things, demand is high due to the perceived perf increase with a price decrease, supply is low due to Samsung either having yield issues or they just can't produce enough dies overall, combine that with the fact that when compared with Turing and the manufacture dates, they attempted to launch Ampere a month earlier than Turing, Turing had 3 months from die manufacture to release, Ampere had less than 2 months so less time to build up inventory. They tried to release early to get out ahead of AMD but now that they've gotten more and more rumours/leaks of how strong Big Navi actually is, guaranteed they're holding back dies/retreating to reshuffle the entire stack. New versions of the GA102 die, or other versions of the 3090 with less VRAM, or jumping node entirely, no point releasing cards that'll be dead on arrival etc.

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And that's the cut down die, the full die is not AIB, its AMD exclusive.
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Yup, the graphs that show the ES being Navi 21 XT is 72CUs, the 6800XT. Only the 6900XT, Navi 21 XTX, is 80CUs. So 10% more CUs, plus probably higher frequencies as well.
 
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Gregster said:
You make a valid point and being a 2080Ti owner, I am happy with the performance of RT in games. I am more of a gfx whore over frame rates though.
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Same here, that is why I could never figure out why you was happy with 1440p (apart from thinking you either need to go spec savers or some people just see differently) until you told us all you sit 4 feet away from you monitor. I sit less than half that distance so 2160p makes a huge difference to image quality at that distance :D
 
Gregster said:
Quite a few people I know who work in shipping are now working from home and the companies supplied laptops for them. I can see this becoming a permanent thing also, as less overheads means more revenue.

Sorry off topic!
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Yeah the quality is not so crucial anymore, when the lockdown kicked off I had to travel to HQ for two days and flat out build many laptops using images to dish out to home workers. We had trouble sourcing even crap laptops and had to install SSD drives in some. Its like the dusty webcams from 2018 sat on shelves getting bought up so people can do 'meetings', anything people/companies can get their hands on they pay it now.

Good for clearing inventory, now we need China to ramp up and get the new stuff made as we dont need these shortages boosting up prices of components.
 
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