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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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This 'Nvidia killer' is going to be arriving in 2022 or four years too late if they don't pull their finger out. I know everything is behind schedule but I fear AMD are going to be late as usual. 2080ti performance in late 2020 for £500 is the minimum they can offer to get mindshare but I think they'll offer 2080ti+10% for £900 which while superficially attractive won't sell many cards. AMD need either the flagship performance crown or 90% of 2080ti for £450. Ideally both
 
I find it funny this "nvidia killer" name is sticking like there's any truth behind it. Clickbait at best for tech sites.
 
For me it doesn't need to be an "Nvidia Killer" it just needs to have the latest tech and be priced correctly, let the buyers decide what's best for there needs. PC master race get stung up in this my card is faster than yours BS when I can put money on it half the time generation vs generation side by side in game I bet most people wouldn't even see the difference lol

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I would just like the performance jump I got from R9 290 to VEGA 64 it felt like a massive performance upgrade, add in RT and all that good stuff and big navi I more than happy to pay the extra price this time around. My upgrade has been long overdue missed out on VEGA 7 and Navi 5700XT so I have saved up enough to go big on NAVI 2020 and I expecting it price around £600 to £800 somewhere around that ballpark.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-big-navi-21-gpu-505-mm-die/
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what wccftech fail to mention is that the the guy who leaked the rumour said something else too... he said that only the high end new gpus (6800/6900 series) get rayvtracing, the rest of the new gpus (6600/6700 series) do not support ray tracing.

Why would AMd do this? Unless perhaps the ray tracing performance isn't good enough at the low end and mid range? But then does that mean the Xbox series x also has poor ray tracing performance???
 
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shankly1985 said:
For me it doesn't need to be an "Nvidia Killer" it just needs to have the latest tech and be priced correctly, let the buyers decide what's best for there needs. PC master race get stung up in this my card is faster than yours BS when I can put money on it half the time generation vs generation side by side in game I bet most people wouldn't even see the difference lol
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That's the problem with this and other tech forums, rumours soon become hard fact along the way (mainly because people keep repeating it and people soon take it at face value) and when something gets released that aren't up to par with overblown speculation it's a failure.

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Why would AMd do this? Unless perhaps the ray tracing performance isn't good enough at the low end and mid range? But then does that mean the Xbox series x also has poor ray tracing performance???
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The consoles have an advantage in terms of overhead, they run incredibly lean compared to a pc and devs can get more performance out of them due to this. So a 5700 level of performance might not be rt spec on pc, but a similar gpu on console might well be.
 
Grim5 said:
what wccftech fail to mention is that the the guy who leaked the rumour said something else too... he said that only the high end new gpus (5800/5900 series) get rayvtracing, the rest of the new gpus (5600/5700 series) do not support ray tracing.

Why would AMd do this? Unless perhaps the ray tracing performance isn't good enough at the low end and mid range? But then does that mean the Xbox series x also has poor ray tracing performance???
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Maybe they just don,t have enough graphical grunt to effectively use RT
 
BigBANGtheory said:
Maybe they just don,t have enough graphical grunt to effectively use RT
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I would not be surprised. At face value it sounds random, Nvidia allows RT all the way down the stack. But Nvidia has special fixed function hardware.

AMD is re-using shader cores that would otherwise be doing raster workloads - so if you don't have a lot of shader cores, it could be very difficult to main acceptable RT and acceptable Rasterization performance in the same 16ms frametime, which is how you do Ray Tracing.
 
Grim5 said:
I would not be surprised. At face value it sounds random, Nvidia allows RT all the way down the stack. But Nvidia has special fixed function hardware.

AMD is re-using shader cores that would otherwise be doing raster workloads - so if you don't have a lot of shader cores, it could be very difficult to main acceptable RT and acceptable Rasterization performance in the same 16ms frametime, which is how you do Ray Tracing.
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Do we know that AMD won't have dedicated RT hardware? I was assuming they'd leverage some of the console developed technology in their next generation of GPUs.
 
Poneros said:
People love it. Classic David vs Goliath. We all want a good story, even if they don't turn out that way. :)
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I get the impression AMD is driven by engineers rather than marketeers. More investment in R&D is what's needed, which is hopefully happening now.

I can't see Threadripper ever seeing the light of day in any other company. AMD have also pushed a lot of new technology, sometimes too early and to their detriment, but I think people like the ethos of "Build it because we can".
 
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