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AMD on the road to recovery.

Because you said Intel is never the best, which kinda contradicts your previous statement...
Oh i see, Intel don't have the best gaming CPU, nor do they have the best productivity CPU.

That's not to say Intel's CPU's are bad, very far from it they are very good, agree with @Troezar the 12700K is an excellent all rounder, every bit as good as the 5900X in productivity and better at gaming, but not as good as the 5950X in productivity, the 12900K is no better than the 5950X and the 5800X3D has them all beat in gaming.

Alder Lake is brilliant, but AMD are still the thorn in Intel's side that just refuses to dislodge.
 
I'm going to quote Robert Hallock, because he's not wrong, AMD have developed a lot of advanced technologies over the last few years, that gives them a lot of leavers to pull.

With Alder Lake Intel finally got the better of Zen 3 in gaming, so AMD pulled one of their leavers, that leaver was the 5800X3D.
 
Yes, and again i cannot emphasise enough just how much i like the 12700K, but from a reality in gaming and from a semi conductor technology enthusiast point of view the 5800X3D is pure genius and a real leap forward in technology.

Look, its not just that there is more cache, its not as simple as that, its not as if you can just have 96MB of L3 on the chip and get the same result, no! The size, the physical area of the cache would be very much larger horizontally, that adds a lot of latency, so much it would probably nullify any gains you might get from it. You literally just end up with a larger chip.

The holly grail is to stack vertically, has been for decades, but the logistical challenge of actually doing that, to have the microscopic connections to deliver the bandwidth and power to and from the stacked chip is immense, one cannot over state AMD's achievement.
 
Intel certainly have their market troubles now. Maybe getting Gov money to pay for their FABs might help but profit margin is crap. I wonder just how much it cost to produce 'Big/Little on 10nm?

Revenue Guidance: $18 Billion, actual earnings: $15.3 Billion.

Client Computing, that's retail, Core series CPU's ecte... Down 25%
Data Centre and AI, down 18%.

Nancy Pelosi sells her shares in Apple and Nvidia, buys shares in Intel and comes to the rescue with $250 Billion of tax payers money bailout for Intel's foundry development. Nice, must be great to be privileged enough to use tax payers money to make yourself wealthy.
 
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Intel is well known for 'oiling the wheels' in the WH. Lobbying is what I think that we call it. With falling sales the last thing they need is high costs, but hey money talks.
Will they be able to cut the price of next gen CPU's, I doubt it.

Its one of the reasons they nark me a bit, Nvidia and AMD work hard to develop good products.

Intel know they have enough privilege to fail and then hold out their hand to tax payers who pay for more failures, doesn't matter how much they fail they can just keep withdrawing more money from the bank of tax payers, as an added bonus in that way cause inflation so those tax payers pay twice.

Its like the banks bailout in 2008, oh no we can't just let them fail from their own mistakes, we can't let darwinism take its course, no no make tax payers pay for their mistakes so they can use that money to pay themselves huge bonuses so they can go right back to buying yachts.
To this day we are still paying for all that crap, what the #### do you think inflation is? every £ that is printed to pay down a debt makes the £ in your pocket worth less, the more £ that are printed the less its worth, we have spent the last 15+ years endlessly printing money to bail out all sorts of crap that should be left to die and to pay for crap no one asked for let alone wants.
 
is it all the money they printed during covid and handed out....



I guess we find out soon enough, I'm not convinced but, hopefully they won't slip backwords.

They need to offset my intel unrealised losses :p but I bought intel for long term anyway so not really worried.

Its not just that its been going on for a long time.

Governments have got far too big trying to regulate every inch of our lives, that's expensive and they print money to pay for it.
 
Intel are under $40 now.


 
AMD Q2 2022 earnings.

Earnings are strong but margins are down a little.
Operating income and margins are also down due to costs of recent acquisitions.

Overall, a good quarter.

$6.55 Billion.

Marginally beat estimates, by $20 Million.
Revenues are up 70% Year over Year.

Gross profit: $3.028 Billion, up 65% Year over Year
Gross margins: 46%, down 140 BPS.

Data centre, (EPYC) $1,486 Million vs $813 Million Q2 2021

Client, (OEM's, Laptops ecte) $2,152 Million vs $1,728 Million Q2 2021

Gaming (Ryzen / Radeon ) $1,655 Million vs $1,255 Million Q2 2021

Embedded (Consoles, Phones, Tablets, Cars... ) $1,257 Million vs $54 Million Q2 2021



I'm thinking maybe Samsung Phones / Tablets are worth a tad more than Consoles in revenue??????
 
Here is what i find interesting.

In the same quarter Intel earned $4.600 Million in revenues for Data centre.
Compare that with AMD's paltry $1.486 Million, right?

From that $1.486 Million AMD earned $472 Million profit, about 32%.
From 4,600 Million Intel earned $200 Million profit, about 4%.

AMD earned nearly 2.5X as much money, in profit, from $1.486 Million in EPYC sales, compared with Intel on 4,600 Million in Xeon sales.

And that is also what your Bloomberg article fails to mention.
 
Despite the overbsupplied inventory, Zen4 launches this quarter!

So now we have confirmation, Zen 4 will launch before 30 September


"AMD Q3 Quiet time is expected to start Sep 16'th"

I think that's baisically when all the high brass take a break, so expect Zen 4 before then, could be the end of this month.
 
AMD expects Q3 revenue to be $6.7 Billion, +/- $200 Million, an increase of 55% YoY

That would put them on track for an estimated $21 to $23 Billion for the 2022 year, currently Q1 and Q2 2022 combined stands at $12.437 Billion. Full year revenue 2021 was $16.4 Billion, 2020 was $9.763 Billion.
 
They seem to be doing ok for the moment, back to over $100.

AMD's market cap at $160 Billion is also about $10 Billion higher than Intel, that is hystoric, i don't think AMD have ever looked this strong compared with Intel, not even during the late 1990's - early 2000's

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Its interesting but its missing a lot of key information.

AMD did spend the early days of its life copying Intel's designs, and they were reprimanded for that in the courts, all true. They were copies of Intel's early chips.
However, what is still disputed, to this day is the chips they designed after that fact, the reason why its disputed is because Intel took them back to court but couldn't convince the courts they were still the same design, because they weren't, it is a little odd that he would tell the story from Intel's perspective on that, the courts don't agree with Intel, saying "oh its disputed" while framing it like that is a bit off!

IBM Stipulated Intel must second source manufacturing from AMD, To get the contract Intel agreed and licenced X86 to AMD, however Intel never put a single order in to AMD, as a response to that AMD began making their own X86 CPU's.
AMD didn't "steal it" they were licenced to make it, AMD reversed engineered Intel's CPU because they never actually received to IP tapes from Intel, as agreed they would.
Why after AMD "stealing" Intel's designs would Intel then agree to licence the X86 IP, that doesn't make any sense, if i lend you my card and i don't get it back i don't then say "oh its fine you can keep it" i'd be suing you.

That's a fundamental part of this story he left out.

The patents that he's talking about is AMD64, Its the 64Bit, which came decades later, its what we now know as X86_64, the X86 potion is Intel, the _64 portion is AMD.
On your Intel system go to C/Windows/WinSxS what you will find is this.

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This came about because in the 1990's the X86 licencing agreement was coming to an end and Intel was gearing up to not renew it, as was their right, AMD, seeing this coming designed the 64Bit portion knowing it would advance PC computing to such an extent people couldn't do without it, they were right about that, the Opteron 64 was the most successfully data centre chip in history and Intel knew they had to respond, they did this by trying to design their own competing 64Bit extensions, Intainium, it was a complete failure, big, hot, used a lot of power and was slow, because it failed Intel was forced to adopt AMD64, (X86_64)

He left all of that out too.

AMD's Opteron chips for server actually beat the Xeon's so bad that Intel actually ended up ditching their entire design architecture altogether, AMD wasn't just fighting Intel on all fronts, they were winning.
Sound familiar?

Next: while he didn't leave this out, he tells this story after the fact, as if it had nothing to do with AMD years of stagnation. Intel didn't just go back to out designing AMD again, as he puts it.

Not before paying those people who had been buying AMD's chips instead of Intel's chips, because they were better, not to use AMD chips at all, and this time Intel was reprimanded for that in the courts.
That left AMD virtually penniless and on the brink of bankruptcy, its easy to say "Intel came back at AMD with better chips" and leave out that because of Intel's illegal actions AMD had no money to R&D next generation chips.
That court case has been settled, its only on going because Intel has spent the last 20 years appealing it, again this is framing it from how Intel would want it viewed.

Meanwhile AMD dominates the console market, the PS5 actual runs an AMD CPU and an AMD GPU.
So does the XBox One, and the Steam Deck.
Also AMD didn't abandon the Mobile market, the latest Samsung Mobile Phones and Tablets run AMD Graphics. There is nothing from Intel or Nvidia in any mobile phone.
How could you pretend to be so knowledgable and get that so wrong?

He ends by saying:

Now Intel has their own new CEO so the war is back on.

I think this video is designed to calm the nerves of Intel's investors, it tell's the story how Intel would want it told and its implying that Pat Gelsinger would put Intel back on top, to use his own words "AMD are now back in the rear view mirror" he had to walk that comment back as investors pointed out that there is nothing on Intel's foreseeable roadmap that can come even close to competing with AMD. AMD are just about to launch a 128 core 256 thread Zen 4 CPU, while the chip that was supposed to compete with the 64 core Zen 3 chip is delayed again. So far so Intel, Pat.

THAT is why AMD are now worth more than Intel.

The irony is today Intel could not exist without the IP they licence from AMD. Intel users go to that folder and delete all that dirty AMD64 stuff out of it, watch what happens.
 
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Well on one hand you care about what the courts say, on the other you dont. I think recently there was a decision in eu saying intel was innocent about the whole paying vendors not to use amd shenanigans.

Not quite, what Intel did is not in dispute, Dell fessed up to receiving the money for the reasons AMD claimed, what Intel appealed is the legality of it, a technicality.
 
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