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AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If the R9 290X is disappointing so is the GTX780 and the Geforce Titan.
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No. We have had the Titan for nearly 9 months and the 780 for over 3 months.

What is disappointing is that it isn't anything new, especially at the rumoured price. If however it is, for example £300-325 for a 290 and £400-£425 for a 290x then that is a different story.

It is basically just AMD catching up.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
People are comparing the R9 290X scores to Geforce Titan and GTX780 scores run on overclocked six core CPUs. The R9 290X appears to have been run on a stock(or very mildly overclocked) Core i7 4770K.

Lets look at some GTX780 scores with a Core i7 4770K and a Core i7 3770K:

http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/zardon/pc-specialist-vanquish-enforcer-review-4770kgtx780/8/
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/56733-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-780-windforce-3x/?page=3

The first setup has an overclocked CPU too.

This means the R9 290X is slightly behind or matches a Geforce Titan and beats a GTX780.

It does this being a much smaller GPU.

Far from disappointing.
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My CPU is at stock and my GPU is on fixed clocks of 926Mhz with no boost. Apart from ripping down my water cooled system and putting my Titan in the wifes 2500K system, there is no other way I can run a comparison test.

I was only trying to show how they faired with each other and yer, I feel that score if true is disappointing. The hype train has me on board as well.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Price will determine how disappointing it is if this is the performance we can expect.
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This, also AMD have known how a GTX780/Titan performs for sometime, I wish they did something spectacular to smash them out the park.

Enough of this matching performance card for card crap, remember the 9700Pro, the 8800GTX etc.

We are being drip fed crap from both companies lately.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If the R9 290X is disappointing so is the GTX780 and the Geforce Titan.

That means the R9 290 is likely to be GTX780 level performance and probably cost a bit less too.

Then,if you add BF4 Mantle support for one of the major PC games launched this year,the GTX780 probably itself needs a price drop.
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I'm not expecting 780 to drop all that much. AMD might take the opportunity to price just below the 780, as the 290 has the benefit of more VRAM, Mantle and other perks to help swing sales.

Would nvidia then lower the 780 to below the 290, which would then make people think the 290 is the stronger card (from pricing alone)?
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If the R9 290X is disappointing so is the GTX780 and the Geforce Titan.
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Yeah they suck too. Fact is AMD are late to the game and if they come with similar performance as Nvidia with similar pricing then it will sink just like thier £700 CPU and £800 7990 on release.

AMD need to bring more than similar performance, they need better pricing, riding on BF4's back will not cut it.
 
Jono8 said:
No. We have had the Titan for nearly 9 months and the 780 for over 3 months.

What is disappointing is that it isn't anything new, especially at the rumoured price.

It is basically just AMD catching up.
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Who the hell cares??

The Geforce Titan costs much more,and if the R9 290X ends up being faster than the same priced GTX780,why buy a GTX780??

With Mantle support and the fact it comes with a better bundle of games,again why buy a GTX780??

This is the same derping with the HD7970 launch,when people were making excuses for worse value cards like the GTX580.

Its not upto AMD to determine prices only.

Its Nvidia too.

Nvidia needs to throw down the gauntlet not only AMD.

As usual people make lame excuses only for Nvidia pricing.

Do it for both,or don't bother doing it at all.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Who the hell cares??
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Everyone in this thread presumably :confused:

Nvidia have been able to price things the way they have, because AMD have offered no competition to the GK110 chip for over 8 months. Simple as that really.

I really hope AMD seriously undercut the Titan and 780 with these cards so we all get great prices.

if they release the 290 at £450-£500 and the 290x at £550-£600 as rumoured though, I see it as a big disappointment.
 
Gregster said:
My CPU is at stock and my GPU is on fixed clocks of 926Mhz with no boost. Apart from ripping down my water cooled system and putting my Titan in the wifes 2500K system, there is no other way I can run a comparison test.

I was only trying to show how they faired with each other and yer, I feel that score if true is disappointing. The hype train has me on board as well.
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28nm, smaller chip matching titan, and will improve 4K and eyefinity resolution gaming, those doing those resolutions will have one choice.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Who the hell cares??

The Geforce Titan costs much more,and if the R9 290X ends up being faster than the same priced GTX780,why buy a GTX780??

With Mantle support and the fact it comes with a better bundle of games,again why buy a GTX780??

This is the same derping with the HD7970 launch,when people were making excuses for worse value cards like the GTX580.

Its not upto AMD to determine prices only.

Its Nvidia too.

Nvidia needs to throw down the gauntlet not only AMD.

As usual people make lame excuses only for Nvidia pricing.

Do it for both,or don't bother doing it at all.
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Whilst the price is too high you do have to pay a premium to get that performance early. I really don't see the point in AMD releasing a card similar to a 780 for the same price. It benefits nobody really.

I'm still hoping the 290x is around £450
 
Suarez7 said:
Whilst the price is too high you do have to pay a premium to get that performance early. I really don't see the point in AMD releasing a card similar to a 780 for the same price. It benefits nobody really.
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It does not seem similar,it seems faster??

So do you agree if the R9 290X more or less matches a Geforce Titan,then it makes the latter extremely poor for the money??

Does it also make the slower GTX780 poorer for the money??

Or does it make all three just poor value for money??

Moreover,why should be up to AMD only??

Nvidia should launch a price attack too!!

In the graphics card market,the two players can either:
1.)Undercut each other and have less profits
2.)Make a cartel and fix prices

What do you think is likely to happen??

People keep making repeated ****tard excuses for Nvidia high prices and it ****es me off when they whinge at AMD repeatedly and I went with Nvidia this generation too.

The Geforce Titan and GTX780 for their percentage improvements over the fastest card at the time(HD7970GE) where insanely priced. At least the HD7970 matched GTX580 3GB level pricing at most.

How much complaining did you see about GTX780 level pricing?? None.

BTW,as a side note anything graphics card much over £250,IMHO is poor value.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Who the hell cares??

The Geforce Titan costs much more,and if the R9 290X ends up being faster than the same priced GTX780,why buy a GTX780??

With Mantle support and the fact it comes with a better bundle of games,again why buy a GTX780??

This is the same derping with the HD7970 launch,when people were making excuses for worse value cards like the GTX580.

Its not upto AMD to determine prices only.

Its Nvidia too.

Nvidia needs to throw down the gauntlet not only AMD.

As usual people make lame excuses only for Nvidia pricing.

Do it for both,or don't bother doing it at all.
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Jono8 said:
Everyone in this thread. :confused:
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Who the hell cares??

The Geforce Titan costs much more,and if the R9 290X ends up being faster than the same priced GTX780,why buy a GTX780??

With Mantle support and the fact it comes with a better bundle of games,again why buy a GTX780??

This is the same derping with the HD7970 launch,when people were making excuses for worse value cards like the GTX580.

Its not upto AMD to determine prices only.

Its Nvidia too.

Nvidia needs to throw down the gauntlet not only AMD.

As usual people make lame excuses only for Nvidia pricing.

Do it for both,or don't bother doing it at all.
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Option to SLI without stuttering would be one reason to buy a GTX.
 
flopper said:
28nm, smaller chip matching titan, and will improve 4K and eyefinity resolution gaming, those doing those resolutions will have one choice.
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Yep, Titan because 4GB isn't enough for 4K gaming!

@ 5760x1080 I used 4.6GB VRAM with all settings maxed in Crysis 3. No way 4GB will be enough to cope at 4K and by the time 4K becomes an industry standard, we will be 2 generations ahead.
 
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