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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

I think it is clear that once the initial batch sell prices will not rise like has been the case with the previous few gens. With global economic melt down incoming and AMD having 200k of these card to shift it is going to be a tough time for gpu sales. What may happen is the reference cards are just never in stock so we are at the mercy of the AIB pricing.

I think in a years time the reference ( if available) 7900xtx will be selling for £750-800 (depending on what the AIB partners do with the pcb and cooling) and the 7900xt for £600. Lets be honest this is what they should be priced at anyway. Or alternatively AMD and Nv may keep these cards priced high and just not sell them so that they can slot lower specced cards in at certain price points to make higher margins in the volume market where they earn real money.
It's the latter scenario nV and AMD are banking on. Both companies benefit from an adjusted pricing scale, and have been trying to push they envelope for years. Both are sitting on heaps of capital to keep prices high until the market adjusts -- they're playing the long game. The only possible saving grace is shareholders start getting antsy if sales are low over several quarters.
 
I think it is clear that once the initial batch sell prices will not rise like has been the case with the previous few gens. With global economic melt down incoming and AMD having 200k of these card to shift it is going to be a tough time for gpu sales. What may happen is the reference cards are just never in stock so we are at the mercy of the AIB pricing.

I think in a years time the reference ( if available) 7900xtx will be selling for £750-800 (depending on what the AIB partners do with the pcb and cooling) and the 7900xt for £600. Lets be honest this is what they should be priced at anyway. Or alternatively AMD and Nv may keep these cards priced high and just not sell them so that they can slot lower specced cards in at certain price points to make higher margins in the volume market where they earn real money.
With inflation like it is across the world I doubt we will ever see pricing like that again. Not until the next gen arrives and they need to clear the stock. The real downside of the recession are the layoffs and that means less people developing the cards so we won’t see any major developments of the cards for a while either.
 
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With inflation like it is across the world I doubt we will ever see pricing like that again. Not until the next gen arrives and they need to clear the stock. The real downside of the recession are the layoffs and that means less people developing the cards so we won’t see any major developments of the cards for a while either.

When you ramp up production you hire people to build cards and ship them / process orders etc., not design them. When sales slump you sack the people you hired to build cards, not the designers.
 
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Given I only play warzone and MW2 maybe some warcraft, I am very interested in 7900xtx. Might have to wait abit mind as day one prices aren't going to be nice I feel.
 
When you ramp up production you hire people to build cards and ship them / process orders etc., not design them. When sales slump you sack the people you hired to build cards, not the designers.
Tech’s going through a big rut at the moment so devs and designers are getting hit too. I’m in the industry and see the writing’s on the wall for them as well.
 
It's been less than a day and people have gotten very high clocks on the 7900xtx

So at stock it runs around 2500mhz, up to 2700mhz with some tweaks, but one reviewers did push 3200mhz and one person has gotten 3700mhz. The only issue is that you can't game at over 2700mhz.

The 7900xtx can do 2700mhz without touching the clockspeed slider, just changing voltage and power limit; as soon as you touch the slider, games will not run and immediately crash, but 3700mhz is possible just to show that it can run at idle

My theory: While I have no evidence of this, I believe the reason the 7900xtx crashes after changing its clockspeed is because you are only changing one of the two clockspeeds that control the GPU due to AMD decoupling them in RDNA3 and there is some sort of ratio that needs to be maintained and by changing one of the clocks you break the ratio and it can no longer operate. Therefore the AIB cards will have the same issue and not offer any better overclocking other than temps from better cooling until there is a way to control both the core and front end clocks

 
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Unless you play Modern Warfare 2 professionally and its almost 100fps faster than a 4080 and over 50fps faster than a 4090.

The Calisto protocol shows where these RDNA3 cards sit and that's the benchmark for the future as it is a UE5 game. It's slap bang in the middle of a 4080 and a 4090. Which, is where almost everyone was predicting it would be.
Callisto Protocol is a terribly optimised game. You can't use that as an indication for anything. Game stutters so badly due to shader compilation DF didn't even Want to cover it
I think you'll find the usual leaks and rumours 99% of which are utter BS also fuelled peoples expectations and got them imagining some god tier gpu. As usual these leaks along the way somehow become fact then people feel underwhelmed when the actual performance numbers appear. This also being the first chiplet based gpu had people thinking it was gonna blow everything out of the water due to it being new tech.

Where is all this amd hype as I'm not seeing it, they did their standard release, gave their numbers and that was it, I don't recall amd releasing images of a 7900xtx sexually violating a 4090, though to read some of the comments on here that seems to be something I missed as some people really had that expectation for some reason.
AMD created the hype. Their slides showed up to 1.5x performance gains over the 6950XT. Then they were specifically asked whether that "upto" meant maximum fps by Digital Foundry to which they said it was meant to account for CPU bottlenecks.

That led to people extrapolating benchmarks which showed it competing with 4090. AMD have no one to blame but themselves. Had they claimed 1.35x the performance for $800 the card would have been much bigger received.
 
I was trying hard not to laugh so much. "8% gap between the XT 2nd X, and XT none 2nd X but one first X". Also that graph with the number of Xs

make way for the xfx rx Radeon 7900 XTX..
Frank Azor must be thinking abt changing the Radeon brand to xxxxxxx.. in his bubblexxx i.e.
 
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It's been less than a day and people have gotten very high clocks on the 7900xtx

So at stock it runs around 2500mhz, up to 2700mhz with some tweaks, but one reviewers did push 3200mhz and one person has gotten 3700mhz. The only issue is that you can't game at over 2700mhz.
Thats like me buying a 240 hz 4k monitor and being told it will be fine in desktop mode at that speed but no games will run at above 60hz.....
 
When you ramp up production you hire people to build cards and ship them / process orders etc., not design them. When sales slump you sack the people you hired to build cards, not the designers.
That's a big possibility, designers are fixed costs that needs to be brought down if the revenue outlook doesn't recover
 
I'm still failing to see what the custom models provide other than lower temps.

Custom Models Tiers. Clock speed boosts over reference.

Tier 1 = +12% over reference (OC Formula, Toxic, Strix OC LC, Liquid-Devil (TBC))
Tier 2 = +8% over reference (Nitro+, Aurous)
Tier 3 = +4% over reference (Pulse, HellHound)
Tier 4 = Reference.
 
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Custom Models Tiers. Clock speed boosts over reference.

Tier 1 = +12% over reference (OC Formula, Toxic, Strix OC LC, Liquid-Devil (TBC))
Tier 2 = +8% over reference (Nitro+, Aurous)
Tier 3 = +4% over reference (Pulse, HellHound)
Tier 4 = Reference.

Actually tier one H20 cards always run same boost clocks as their air cooled counterparts.

So a Nitro and Toxic have same clocks.
As do a Devil and water cooled devil.

The advantage comes from lower temps allowing the higher boost clocks to be held longer.

Max out of box clocks seem to be 2510MHz Game clock and 2680MHz Boost clock which so far I’ve seen on Nitro and Aorus cards.
 
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still amusing as can see made right choice with 4080 considering extremely short availability for these new cards in europe and because all the upcoming games I want will be playable just with RT at 4k at console lvl fps maybe higher at times depending on optimization with DLSS enabled so should last me until the next gen at which point can probably still get most of the money back from what I spent towards the new card
 
Actually tier one H20 cards always run same boost clocks as their air cooled counterparts.

So a Nitro and Toxic have same clocks.
As do a Devil and water cooled devil.

The advantage comes from lower temps allowing the higher boost clocks to be held longer.

Max out of box clocks seem to be 2510MHz Game clock and 2680MHz Boost clock which so far I’ve seen on Nitro and Aorus cards.

AIB card reviews have been published in China


Even the Red Devil seems to only run slightly higher clocks and only just faster than the reference card. Temps and noise a hell of a lot better than reference though so there is that.
 
Glad to see reviewers and most of the amd fanbase also calling out amd for their dodgy marketing PR show with misleading performance figures, being the best in efficiency ended up a load of bs, upping their tiers and charging more as a result.

Now we just need people to vote with their wallet and not buy any of these gpus by amd or nvidia.
 
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