AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[Chuk_Chuk]

why not get the reviews out sooner than later and make people hold out and not go for the competitors product....

Because the buzz from the reviews would die's down before the product are actually on sale. Have you ever seen a GPU or CPU review come out weeks before the product is launched?

The only people who release reviews siginificantly earlier than the product launch are companies who don't really ride the hype that reviews generate for example car companies.

 

[uscool]

Because they were outright comparing it to the 3080 in the chart. Also they didn't use FSR in benchmarks at the time.

Its all smokes and mirrors in their marketing this time around. They claim it's competing with 4080 but if those extrapolated charts are any indication, it's demolishing the 4080 and is in 4090 territory. Custom cards may even match 4090 FE. Why not compare it with 4090 in their marketing?

Reply was to the stated upto , 4080 hasn't been released to be compared

Maybe comparing it to the 4090 wouldn't look good with it being behind in all charts ? Regardless it being much cheaper

Think for them it looks better if it's beating the 4080 16gb while being cheaper even though it likely lose in RT

It's gonna be a long month wait for 3rd party reviews till then maybe not to get too sucked into what's being posted lol

 

[Nexus18]

Because the buzz from the reviews would die's down before the product are actually on sale. Have you ever seen a GPU or CPU review come out weeks before the product is launched?

The only people who release reviews siginificantly earlier than the product launch are companies who don't really ride the hype that reviews generate for example car companies.

Agree on the whole but the problem here is amds lack of "mind/market share" in the gpu space, with their cpus they had already established themselves as the market leaders there i.e. they can control/play the market somewhat, with the gpu market, as of right now, nvidia are dominating and have their current halo product out as of right now along with reviews and the 4080 reviews + launch are due on/around November 16th (?), since the 7900xtx is competing against the 4080, the best time for amd to release their reviews imo would be on the same day or/and just after the 4080 release.

 

[Hotwired]

Because they were outright comparing it to the 3080 in the chart. Also they didn't use FSR in benchmarks at the time.

Its all smokes and mirrors in their marketing this time around. They claim it's competing with 4080 but if those extrapolated charts are any indication, it's demolishing the 4080 and is in 4090 territory. Custom cards may even match 4090 FE. Why not compare it with 4090 in their marketing?

Seeing as the 4080 isn't out for 2 more weeks they couldn't compare to the target unlike last time.
It also sucks to use a 4090 priced much higher because that guarantees the optics of slides showing your product in second place, worse than that, advertising your competitor in first place.

So they've gone for a neutral option which is to compare to their previous card and show AMD beating AMD.

Fans can extrapolate all they want, they don't risk anything and are gagging for any scraps of information no matter how low grade. If they are correct then AMD has priced it properly to look good against the price and performance of the 4080 and the 4090.

 

[tommybhoy]

Because the buzz from the reviews would die's down before the product are actually on sale. Have you ever seen a GPU or CPU review come out weeks before the product is launched?

The only people who release reviews siginificantly earlier than the product launch are companies who don't really ride the hype that reviews generate for example car companies.

Here's a better way, just pay DF to big it up like NV does to increase the wow factor, better than any early review.

 

[tommybhoy]

Maybe AMD saw Nexus's ~who wants RT data and decided only 40% 30% of us wanting RT isn't enough to concentrate more on RT'ing than raster...

Edit, it was only 30% not 40%

 

[Noxia]

I'm not preaching here. I'm just having a moment of clarity. Considering all that is going on in the world, I feel that I am very fortunate to be in a position where which graphics card I have to buy is actually an 'issue'.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Agree on the whole but the problem here is amds lack of "mind/market share" in the gpu space, with their cpus they had already established themselves as the market leaders there i.e. they can control/play the market somewhat, with the gpu market, as of right now, nvidia are dominating and have their current halo product out as of right now along with reviews and the 4080 reviews + launch are due on/around November 16th (?), since the 7900xtx is competing against the 4080, the best time for amd to release their reviews imo would be on the same day or/and just after the 4080 release.

That is a horrifically bad idea, even if the 7900xtx did dunk all over the 4080.

Yeah they would **** on Nvidia's parade but they would extingish the wind in their own sales for their own release. They would also muddy the water as they would not have clean news focussed on their product. Lets not forget the issues reviewers would have.

 

[tommybhoy]

Where's all the 4080 reviews?

 

[Nexus18]

That is a horrifically bad idea, even if the 7900xtx did dunk all over the 4080.

Yeah they would **** on Nvidia's parade but they would extingish the wind in their own sales for their own release. They would also muddy the water as they would not have clean news focussed on their product. Lets not forget the issues reviewers would have.

Well then, it just means they will lose sales as we all know, many people, especially ones that have money to burn (especially when spending 1+k on a gpu) will simply not wait for the "unknown" (more so for the 7900xt), you just have to look at how many have bought a 4090 as they aren't/weren't willing to wait on even the first rdna 3 announcement.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Where's all the 4080 reviews?

They should have been out last Thursday.

 

[tommybhoy]

Talking garbage, so no one's holding off for a 4080, they won't sell because there's no reviews either?

 

[Nexus18]

Where's all the 4080 reviews?

Hence my post on this:

Agree on the whole but the problem here is amds lack of "mind/market share" in the gpu space, with their cpus they had already established themselves as the market leaders there i.e. they can control/play the market somewhat, with the gpu market, as of right now, nvidia are dominating and have their current halo product out as of right now along with reviews and the 4080 reviews + launch are due on/around November 16th (?), since the 7900xtx is competing against the 4080, the best time for amd to release their reviews imo would be on the same day or/and just after the 4080 release.

When you have 80% of the market, you can control it and the hype, when you have 20% (which lets be honest is pitiful), imo you need to be bringing the fight and trying to eat into the giants hype/pr, not simply playing catchup and hoping that 80% of the mind/market share will hold off....

Lets remind ourselves of what amd are fighting against here:

 

[Noxia]

So basically the choices are at the moment for this gen, wait until December for an AMD card with no benchmarks currently, buy a 4090 with a significant safety issue or wait for a 4080 with no performance benchmarks until mid November, brilliant

 

[gpuerrilla]

I have been working on the assumption of 50%+ purely down to the fact that AMD met their power/perf targets. I even felt 40% would be a decent boost at each tier.

My expectations for 7800 and 4080 tier were always 40% or so faster than 6800 and 4080 for the same price. When Nvidia announced 4080 price and performance it was clear they were taking the absolute **** on pricing. Especially with the 4060 4070 4080 12GB and the fact they unreleased it speaks volumes.

Thankfully AMD look to be meeting that target, and even many of the usual Nvidia fans are acknowledging that fact.

For a similar price point 7800XT could offer a 40% uplift in raster with similar RT performance and have 2GB more VRAM compared to my 3080FE.

That’s an upgrade path Nvidia currently do not offer.

This may be so for people already with last gen high-ish end. The better situation is if you sat out ampere/rdna2, you can at least only be fleeced of around a grand for that uplift (which should be way way bigger than 40%). nvidia will be commanding huge ££££'s for this unless you are happy to pick up their stockpile of ampere cards that that also want you to buy!

 

[Nexus18]

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It's these kind of posts that take the thread down into the "childish bickering" territory, again read the rules:

inappropriate posts, trolling and discussion falling below the standard we would expect

Trolling because I simply post that IMO a good time for amd to try and make a dent into nvidias market share is to **** on their parade?

 

[Nexus18]

You are literally adding nothing to the discussion at hand, lets look at the posts that are "supposedly" trolling again:

Back on topic, when are the reviews due? Please don't tell me December.....

When else would reviews come out? Tomorrow?

We're more or less at the start of November still..... plenty of time to get reviews out before 13th December.... Would you not rather see something sooner than later?

Because the buzz from the reviews would die's down before the product are actually on sale. Have you ever seen a GPU or CPU review come out weeks before the product is launched?

The only people who release reviews siginificantly earlier than the product launch are companies who don't really ride the hype that reviews generate for example car companies.

Agree on the whole but the problem here is amds lack of "mind/market share" in the gpu space, with their cpus they had already established themselves as the market leaders there i.e. they can control/play the market somewhat, with the gpu market, as of right now, nvidia are dominating and have their current halo product out as of right now along with reviews and the 4080 reviews + launch are due on/around November 16th (?), since the 7900xtx is competing against the 4080, the best time for amd to release their reviews imo would be on the same day or/and just after the 4080 release.

That is a horrifically bad idea, even if the 7900xtx did dunk all over the 4080.

Yeah they would **** on Nvidia's parade but they would extingish the wind in their own sales for their own release. They would also muddy the water as they would not have clean news focussed on their product. Lets not forget the issues reviewers would have.

Hence my post on this:

When you have 80% of the market, you can control it and the hype, when you have 20% (which lets be honest is pitiful), imo you need to be bringing the fight and trying to eat into the giants hype/pr, not simply playing catchup and hoping that 80% of the mind/market share will hold off....

Lets remind ourselves of what amd are fighting against here:

Then your posts, what I would classify as "discussion falling below the standard" and baiting with the usual "trolling" and "fanboi" crap:

Where's all the 4080 reviews?

Talking garbage, so no one's holding off for a 4080, they won't sell because there's no reviews either?

Exactly, he's trolling trying to get yet another thread closed.

No, your just trolling again!

Saying you're trolling isn't childish bickering-it's fact!

It's also not against the rules to have a cast iron bulletproof 100% percent opinion that you are trolling again!

Prefer later, the sooner they come out, the sooner fanbois start slating them.

 

[tommybhoy]

Which one? The gimped one now with no name or the one that costs the same as a 4090?



#derailer

Is that the one he was claiming everyone was moving to for extra vram, that one?

Is that the one that's priced out of his pocket so far he can't afford it?

Is that the one that costs the same as a 3090 2yrs ago but lambasted people for wasting their money on it because it's replacement would be half the price and it turns out you too could have had the benefit of 2 yrs gaming for the same money?

That one?

 

[tommybhoy]

Nope, oh look, folks agreeing you're trolling, who'd have thought eh?

 

[Nexus18]

Nope, oh look, folks agreeing you're trolling, who'd have thought eh?

Seems like the usual 3-4 people who don't like posts which doesn't fit their narrative....