AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Darujhistan · 8 Dec 2022 at 23:50

Putty said:
Hmm, I don't remember 1080ti cards being that pricey - I picked mine up for around £700 a couple of months after release. Still using it now but hoping to pick up a new AMD card depending on price.

It was the next gen, Turing, where NV really decided to start extracting the urine, and many people happily defended darling Nvidia and here we are. Many prominent e-peeners and Nvidia washers from those Turing days have now been themselves priced out and no longer post in here for some reason...

:cry:

Joxeon · 9 Dec 2022 at 00:19

Darujhistan said:
It was the next gen, Turing, where NV really decided to start extracting the urine, and many people happily defended darling Nvidia and here we are. Many prominent e-peeners and Nvidia washers from those Turing days have now been themselves priced out and no longer post in here for some reason...

Some of those buying the 4090 this time around will probably find themselves priced out of the top tier card the next time they come to upgrade and will have to settle for the £1600 xx70 tier.

TheRealDeal · 9 Dec 2022 at 01:12

Joxeon said:
Can pick up a used 3080 for £500 or a 6800XT even less, sell your vega for £200 and you got a 100% performance bump for £300, new gen 4080 or 7900XT will set you back £700-1000 for a 150% increase.

I like to go near to top end or top and forget so if i go top and get 4 years it's no big deal. PC these days for me requires a big upgrade then i am fine for a long time as in my opinion it's no longer the superior platform like it used to be. I mean PC are doing Portal with Raytracing where as on my Ps5 i am just about to play God of War Ragnarok. With a big upgrade it will still only be used for online games on the monitor as most cross platform games don't have pc bugs on console from my experience. If it was not for me having a big group of friends on PC i would now have a media PC. This fake frame bs and old game show cases just ain't doing it :cry:

. The best platform just ain't getting the love which is a shame.

Nvidia if legal or AMD should buy or create there own gaming studios as then we would see some real stuff. that would make me want to spend more.

TNA · 9 Dec 2022 at 02:56

TheRealDeal said:
Nvidia if legal or AMD should buy or create their have thought thisown gaming studios as then we would see some real stuff. that would make me want to spend more.

I have always thought of that too. Why not make PC exclusives? Nvidia certainly could afford it. I would want to see a Crysis level jump with a pc exclusive that makes even a 4090 cry if you dared max it out.

arknor · 9 Dec 2022 at 04:11

TNA said:
I have always thought of that too. Why not make PC exclusives? Nvidia certainly could afford it. I would want to see a Crysis level jump with a pc exclusive that makes even a 4090 cry if you dared max it out.

yea I've been saying it for years, it would be a drop in the ocean of their advertising budget...

Grim5 · 9 Dec 2022 at 05:12

You could say the same for Intel or AMD, why don't they make games for their hardware.

I think we should be thankful that PC doesn't have hardware exclusive games like consoles, anyone advocating for it is silly

Yaayuh! · 9 Dec 2022 at 06:18

TheRealDeal said:
Nvidia if legal or AMD should buy or create there own gaming studios as then we would see some real stuff.

That sounds like a terrible idea.

Hotwired · 9 Dec 2022 at 07:08

What part of designing electronics lends itself to making video games :confused:

Maybe they could do an incredibly dry tech demo which looks nothing like a game but really shows off obscure performance that they worked really hard on.

TNA · 9 Dec 2022 at 08:19

Grim5 said:
You could say the same for Intel or AMD, why don't they make games for their hardware.

I think we should be thankful that PC doesn't have hardware exclusive games like consoles, anyone advocating for it is silly

Hah. Funny you of all people saying that with some of the tripe you post at times grim

welshrat · 9 Dec 2022 at 08:19

Joxeon said:
Can pick up a used 3080 for £500 or a 6800XT even less, sell your vega for £200 and you got a 100% performance bump for £300, new gen 4080 or 7900XT will set you back £700-1000 for a 150% increase.

Honestly this might be the best bet. I am still really happy with my 6800 (from Vega 56) and the 6800xt is quite a bit faster. You would see an upgrade for around £250 once the Vega was sold. I am going to sit out of a good 12 months and see where prices and performance go on these 7900 gpus

SpudMaster · 9 Dec 2022 at 08:50

Joxeon said:
Can pick up a used 3080 for £500 or a 6800XT even less, sell your vega for £200 and you got a 100% performance bump for £300, new gen 4080 or 7900XT will set you back £700-1000 for a 150% increase.

Problem is that Vega 56 doesn't sell for anywhere near £200 now, theres been one say in the MM for a while now at £130 and looking at sold items on the auction you seem to be looking at £150 if your willing to take the risk. I've been weighing up my options having held onto this card for so long, refusing to pay the inflated prices. I can wait a little longer to see what happens comes Feb time.

Joxeon · 9 Dec 2022 at 09:24

SpudMaster said:
Problem is that Vega 56 doesn't sell for anywhere near £200 now, theres been one say in the MM for a while now at £130 and looking at sold items on the auction you seem to be looking at £150 if your willing to take the risk. I've been weighing up my options having held onto this card for so long, refusing to pay the inflated prices. I can wait a little longer to see what happens comes Feb time.

Unless I read wrong he has a vega 64.

Joxeon · 9 Dec 2022 at 09:41

welshrat said:
Honestly this might be the best bet. I am still really happy with my 6800 (from Vega 56) and the 6800xt is quite a bit faster. You would see an upgrade for around £250 once the Vega was sold. I am going to sit out of a good 12 months and see where prices and performance go on these 7900 gpus

When the lacklustre Turing came out I picked up a used 1070ti for £250 instead of going with the similarly performing but less VRAM 2060 at £400 absolutely no regrets, if I was in a similar situation today I'd be looking to make a similar move rather than paying over the odds on the new stuff.

ICDP · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:14

SpudMaster said:
Problem is that Vega 56 doesn't sell for anywhere near £200 now, theres been one say in the MM for a while now at £130 and looking at sold items on the auction you seem to be looking at £150 if your willing to take the risk. I've been weighing up my options having held onto this card for so long, refusing to pay the inflated prices. I can wait a little longer to see what happens comes Feb time.

This is the problem people face when holding on to GPUs for 5+ years. They have to accept their old GPU is practically worthless and a new GPU will be expensive. Though a bonus is that even a £350 6700 XT or RTX 3060Ti will be a significant upgrade.

The ones who are losing out are those who got a 6800 XT/3080 for £550 - £650 a few years back. A tangible replacement for those cards will now cost ~£1000 + and that effectively means price/perf regression or stagnation.

SpudMaster · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:26

Joxeon said:
Unless I read wrong he has a vega 64.

Yeah he did. My mistake i got mixed up between what he has and what I had been searching

SpudMaster · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:35

ICDP said:
This is the problem people face when holding on to GPUs for 5+ years. They have to accept their old GPU is practically worthless and a new GPU will be expensive. Though a bonus is that even a £350 6700 XT or RTX 3060Ti will be a significant upgrade.

The ones who are losing out are those who got a 6800 XT/3080 for £550 - £650 a few years back. A tangible replacement for those cards will now cost ~£1000 + and that effectively means price/perf regression or stagnation.

Yeah thats true but the problem I faced was that until the 6000 or 3000 series of cards released there wasn't anything worth upgrading to. Then obviously prices went insane which I refused to pay. Now i could get a 3000 or 6000 series card but I don't like the fact that I'm still expect to pay RRP or very close to for a cards that been out for over two years now. I could go second hand but then thats still over priced imo for a card thats potentially been mined to death. The my Vega 56 is still getting 80fps+ in most games with high settings at 1440p so I'm willing to wait a little longer

ICDP · 9 Dec 2022 at 11:10

The 6700 XT was released in March 2021, so less than two years (pedantic I know). I'm not sure why the idea of paying MSRP for a GPU is considered bad, or do you mean because you feel they are EOL and should be a lot cheaper now? The 6700 XT can be had for MSRP with 2x free games and if you sell the codes you will reduce the price to ~10% below MSRP.

So there are options for you to get a 60% - 70% uplift in performance for a very decent price. I bought a 6700 XT for £450 (over MSRP) 19 months ago for my son's PC and it is a very fast and efficient GPU, even for 1440p. I sold his older 2060 Super for £280, so total cost was £170. Had I held out until now the net cost would be higher because a 2060 Super would get about £150 - £200 at best used. So the irony is you could have had such a GPU for a while now had you sold your Vega 64 when it was worth something. The cost to you would have been less than holding out this long.

It's a balancing act of either selling when you old GPU is still worth something and the overall price to upgrade is similar (or less) to waiting an extra year for EOL prices. The benefit of course, is that you would have been gaming on a decent GPU for the past 19 months.

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Cooper · 9 Dec 2022 at 11:27

ICDP said:
The 6700 XT can be had for MSRP

..Which is still at least £100 more than it should be by now, same for its Nvidia competitor, the 3060Ti.

Dropping £400 for a 6700XT, on the eve of EOL discontinuation is a bad deal whichever way you spin it.

ICDP · 9 Dec 2022 at 11:35

Cooper said:
..Which is still at least £100 more than it should be by now, same for its Nvidia competitor, the 3060Ti.

Dropping £400 for a 6700XT, on the eve of EOL discontinuation is a bad deal whichever way you spin it.

You missed the point really. 19 months ago it was possible to get a then new 6700 XT for a bit more than MSRP, but an old (for example Vega 64) GPU was still worth something.

Holding out 19 months to 2 years for an upgrade, means your old GPU becomes worthless and you are not saving money, you are losing it.

SpudMaster · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:40

ICDP said:
The 6700 XT was released in March 2021, so less than two years (pedantic I know). I'm not sure why the idea of paying MSRP for a GPU is considered bad, or do you mean because you feel they are EOL and should be a lot cheaper now? The 6700 XT can be had for MSRP with 2x free games and if you sell the codes you will reduce the price to ~10% below MSRP.

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Yeah they are basically EOL now and should be cheaper imo. Yeah it can be had for MSRP but at this point in its life cycle MSRP is more than the card is worth. Also when I upgrade I want atleast 6800xt or 3080 performance. Asking for atleast double performance for a reasonable price shouldn't be too much to ask when your current card is over 5 years old