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The thing about cheap RAM like that they also have sub-timings that are slacker that a pair of old tights, wich also matters, no reviewer in their right mind would use RAM that cheap.
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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D retail processor has been tested ahead of launch
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Indeed have tighter timings with cheapo ballistix 3600mhz
Soldato
Its also the last of AM4 , testing the tech coming to AM5 along with ddr5. £95 worth of ram to match the best of Intel with £400 of DDR5. Exciting times, as both teams will need to innovate.
Soldato
It's slower in some games v the 5800x, slower in most apps, can't overclock, gets beat off the 12700k and 12600k in a number of games, 3d cache is very inconsistent when it comes to performance. Terrible look for $450.
Soldato
Yeah, i dont understand the panic. It's not like we didnt have a cpu that matches the 12900k in gaming for a fraction of the cost. The 12700f is 310 euros and delivers 96% of the 5800x 3d game perfromance while absolutely annihilating in everything else. Yet amd has the audacity to ask 50% more money for the 3d. That is a joke. Make it 300 euros and you got a good product. At 450, get the heck outta here.
After all your pro intel rhetoric these last few days i really do not care. Fact is in relative performance at 1080 and 1440 it is with a margin of error as fast as Intels top 2 chips while consuming less power and with much slower clock speeds. Oh did i mention its cheaper to. Intel now have teh 2 most expensive consumer chips (thats before platform costs) without a clear winning margin
Caporegime
@Bencher using your argument the same can be said for the 12900K, there is no difference worth mentioning in gaming between the two and for productivity the 12900K isn't much quicker either.
What Intel have done to compete with AMD is shove everything from the mid range up to the high end, so you have this concentration of CPU's from mid range up that are all pretty much the same.
What Intel have done to compete with AMD is shove everything from the mid range up to the high end, so you have this concentration of CPU's from mid range up that are all pretty much the same.
Soldato
Exactly, that's why no one is praising the 12900k. The real value is on the i7 series. The 12900k is a damn good cpu, but the i7 is too close for comfort at a much nicer price.
Caporegime
Well i can't argue with that, the 12700K right now is the CPU i would recommend, but as a gaming focused rig i need to see more about the 5800X3D, that TPU review is far too contrived to draw any conclusions from.
No one should be buying the 12900K, it offers nothing meaningful over the 12700K, other than Kudos to say "look at me i have one"
Also at £370 the 5900X is back in contention.
The 5800X3D seems OK for people with an older AM4 CPU looking for an upgrade. The extra cache + lower clock speed is going to provide an improvement for gamers, but not other things as expected.
It's about an 8% improvement in framerate in games at 1080p vs its little brother, the 5800X, so not that exciting, based on this:
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png
I wonder if the reason it can't be overclocked, is that it's already hitting the power limits on the AM4 socket?
It's not really convincingly beating the 12700K at 1080p or 4K resolution. For once, I'd say the 4 E-cores are helping the 12700 / 12700K to hold their ground here. Also, these CPUs are definitely ahead in non gaming tasks.
The 12700f seems like a better buy in general.
Still think an LGA1700 board + cheap Alder Lake CPU is a better long term option, as it allows upgrades to Intel's 13th gen.
It's about an 8% improvement in framerate in games at 1080p vs its little brother, the 5800X, so not that exciting, based on this:
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png
I wonder if the reason it can't be overclocked, is that it's already hitting the power limits on the AM4 socket?
It's not really convincingly beating the 12700K at 1080p or 4K resolution. For once, I'd say the 4 E-cores are helping the 12700 / 12700K to hold their ground here. Also, these CPUs are definitely ahead in non gaming tasks.
The 12700f seems like a better buy in general.
Still think an LGA1700 board + cheap Alder Lake CPU is a better long term option, as it allows upgrades to Intel's 13th gen.
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Iirc AMD said that the cache can't exceed 1.3-1.35v.
Depends how you look at it someone currently say on Ryzen 3000 or below can just pop this CPU in and get nice gaming boost and will be cheaper this is an refresh chip after all , 6 year old socket plenty will be able to just drop in the CPU
Also this is kinda concept with cache and it's 1ghz behind going forward they will add higher clocks looking forward what zen 4 can do
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Yeah something like this, the 5800x3d is finely tuned and only operates in a certain voltage range so they don't want people touching the voltage
But where there is a will there is a way and people have already figured out how to overclock the 5800x3d
to do this requires some piece of software called ASUS Voltage Suspension
https://mobile.twitter.com/skatterbencher/status/1514078043320463360?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1514078043320463360|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-overclock-lock-already-bypassed-3d-v-cache-chip-spotted-running-at-4-8-ghz/
to do this requires some piece of software called ASUS Voltage Suspension
https://mobile.twitter.com/skatterbencher/status/1514078043320463360?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1514078043320463360|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-overclock-lock-already-bypassed-3d-v-cache-chip-spotted-running-at-4-8-ghz/
I'm thinking my C14-15-15-35 3600MHz RAM will work nicely with this CPU. Good for upgraders like me that don't want to swap out £600+ of motherboard and RAM just yet.
Soldato
Im more interested in how memory scales, if it scales at all. I assume bigger cache = less dependency on good ram kits.
Soldato
My thoughts exactly. For 3-4% gaming performance youll pay 50% more for the CPU and lose horribly in MT and ST performance. Also, socket longevity. It just seems like a bad bad deal. They should really lower the price, by a LOT.
Soldato
Its 4% faster in games, 50% more expensive and gets its ass handed to it in everything else by a 12700f. And you consider that killing intel. Yikes, fanboys...
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What is amazing is Zen 3 + some cache, matches with Intel's best in gaming on a new 'Intel 7' node, hybrid architecture + DDR5 + 5ghz+ clocks. Sure you can tune the 12900K more so, but it's amazing.
Could stick the 3D CPU on a 2017 x370 and boom welcome to the latest tech.
Could stick the 3D CPU on a 2017 x370 and boom welcome to the latest tech.