AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D retail processor has been tested ahead of launch

Harlequin · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:44

Bencher said:
We are pretending like the mobo will make any difference to the results, arent we? Aokay...

Fact of the matter is, the 3d with the current price is a joke. Costs 50% more than the 12700f and gets crucified in everything bar 720p gaming, and that is by single percentage gains. Even if you have an am4 already its a bad deal, let alone if you have to buy a motherboard

your pretending that £500 difference in motherboard cost is not important... ok then!

And yes, overclocking and even running ram at xmp - intel isnt allowing on the lowwer s-pec boards :

Intel warns users to NOT overclock their non-K Alder Lake CPUs, cites "Damaging" (wccftech.com)

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:51

Bencher said:
We are pretending like the mobo will make any difference to the results, arent we? Aokay...

Fact of the matter is, the 3d with the current price is a joke. Costs 50% more than the 12700f and gets crucified in everything bar 720p gaming, and that is by single percentage gains. Even if you have an am4 already its a bad deal, let alone if you have to buy a motherboard

the 3d with the current price is a joke. Costs 50% more than the 12700f

50%?

The 12700KF? is £375, that makes the 5800X3D 9% more expensive assuming £410.

Even if you have an am4 already its a bad deal

By what measure did you arrive at that conclusion? If you have an AM4 motherboard what's a bad deal, the 5800X3D alone or a 12700KF + a Motherboard?

Bencher · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:53

Harlequin said:
your pretending that £500 difference in motherboard cost is not important... ok then!

And yes, overclocking and even running ram at xmp - intel isnt allowing on the lowwer s-pec boards :

Intel warns users to NOT overclock their non-K Alder Lake CPUs, cites "Damaging" (wccftech.com)

Yes, even a 10000 euro difference in motherboard makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Did you even read the article? Its talking about locked skus on locked motherboards that overclock via bclk. How is that relevant to... Anything?

Harlequin · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:54

Bencher said:
Yes, even a 10000 euro difference in motherboard makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Did you even read the article? Its talking about locked skus on locked motherboards that overclock via bclk. How is that relevant to... Anything?

H610, some B660 and Q670 do not allow even XMP profile. How is that not relevant to..... everything?

Bencher · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:55

humbug said:
50%?

The 12700KF? is £375, that makes the 5800X3D 9% more expensive assuming £410.

By what measure did you arrive at that conclusion? If you have an AM4 motherboard what's a bad deal, the 5800X3D alone or a 12700KF + a Motherboard?

Im talking about the 12700f,not the kf. The f is the fair comparison since they are both locked and no igpu. Costs 310 right now in my country (within eu).

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:55

Given the £500 motherboard they use has a function that pushed the CPU to its limits out of the box i would beg to differ, i think it does.

Bencher · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:58

Harlequin said:
H610, some B660 and Q670 do not allow even XMP profile. How is that not relevant to..... everything?

There are h610 mobos that cost more than some b660 and not support memory overclocking. Therefore the cost is IRRELEVANT. A 120 euro b660 performs similarly in gaming to a 1000 euros z690. That is a fact.

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:58

Bencher said:
Im talking about the 12700f,not the kf. The f is the fair comparison since they are both locked and no igpu. Costs 310 right now in my country (within eu).

A locked 65 watt CPU.

See what you're doing there is substituting a 65 watt locked CPU for a 125 watt unlocked CPU as if they are the same. They are not.

Bencher · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:58

humbug said:
Given the £500 motherboard they use has a function that pushed the CPU to its limits out of the box i would beg to differ, i think it does.

What the heck are you talking about????

chroniclard · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:59

Christ, CPU threads are worse than GPU threads. :cry:

Bencher · 13 Apr 2022 at 17:59

humbug said:
A locked 65 watt CPU.

See what you're doing there is substituting a 65 watt locked CPU for a 125 watt unlocked CPU as if they are the same. They are not.

It takes literally 1 click to remove the power limit on a 150 euro mobo. Hwunboxed already tested the cpu on said 150 euro mobo..

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:03

Now you're using overclocking as an equivalence on a locked CPU ^^^^

Bencher said:
What the heck are you talking about????

You don't know? High end Asus motherboards lock the CPU in PL2 mode or even higher by default out of the box. yes that makes a significant difference to performance. Its why they do it.

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:12

12700KF vs 12700K yes sure, they are both unlocked 125 watt CPU's, but 12700F, no you don't get to do that, its a lock 65 watt CPU, they are not equivalent.

Troezar · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:12

I think the market will decide. No-one on AM4 is going to sell up and go Intel, cheap (sell on existing CPU) upgrade with minimal hassle. My bet is 5800X3D will fly off the shelves.

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:22

Right, when looking at reviewers using Asus motherboards for Intel bare this in mind, they overclock the CPU by default. Especially when they have "5.5Ghz" written in the review, they shouldn't be holding that sustained, its plausible "well we made it clear in the review"

Troezar · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:25

humbug said:
Right, when looking at reviewers using Asus motherboards for Intel bare this in mind, they overclock the CPU by default.

The devil is in the detail with this stuff. I wonder if TPU got a set of those special notes outlining how to test?

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:26

Troezar said:
The devil is in the detail with this stuff. I wonder if TPU got a set of those special notes outlining how to test?

Its why they write "5.5Ghz" in the charts, the average reader doesn't know what that means or the implication of it but with it they can say they divulged the necessary information.

Bencher · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:30

humbug said:
Now you're using overclocking as an equivalence on a locked CPU ^^^^

You don't know? High end Asus motherboards lock the CPU in PL2 mode or even higher by default out of the box. yes that makes a significant difference to performance. Its why they do it.

Dude you serious? You can't be... That a feature on every single motherboard from the times of the z370. Asus calls it mce, other companies call it something else. Every single mobo has it, even my b560 had it.

With any b660 or z690 you can set the PL2 to 4095 watt. There will be absolutely no difference in performance

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:33

Bencher said:
Dude you serious? You can't be... That a feature on every single motherboard from the times of the z370. Asus calls it mce, other companies call it something else. Every single mobo has it, even my b560 had it.

With ant b660 or z690 you can set the PL2 to 4095 watt. There will be absolutely no difference in performance

So in that other thread that members (i forgot his name) 12900K pulling 165 watts at 5.4Ghz in SOTTR maks no difference to a CPU that supposed to be pulling no more than 125 watts sustained, is that what you're trying to tell me?

humbug · 13 Apr 2022 at 18:38

I'm beginning to think you're not at all arguing in good faith here @Bencher i'm beginning to feel like you think we are idiots.

I'm off to watch some TV....