Intel are killed. Intel are stuck in a position of mopping minimal sales up at the tail end of AMD product launches for at least the next 5 years~
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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D retail processor has been tested ahead of launch
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Intel are killed. Intel are stuck in a position of mopping minimal sales up at the tail end of AMD product launches for at least the next 5 years~
This looks like more than 4% and this is at 1440P.
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Sure there are other games it does about the same in as well and a few it does worse in like RDR2 but that just means we need more games to be tested because it will depend heavily on what someone plays. I want to see how it does in MMO's or other games that can be really CPU heavy. We also see big wins in stuff like FFXV, Witcher 3 etc so more open world games would be good too. Especially if the reviewer picks scenes with more CPU overhead.
This looks like more than 4% and this is at 1440P.
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Sure there are other games it does about the same in as well and a few it does worse in like RDR2 but that just means we need more games to be tested because it will depend heavily on what someone plays. I want to see how it does in MMO's or other games that can be really CPU heavy. We also see big wins in stuff like FFXV, Witcher 3 etc so more open world games would be good too. Especially if the reviewer picks scenes with more CPU overhead.
Oof, the 5800X3D is like an upgrade from a RTX 3070 to the RTX 3090, but without the expense and power use.
I can see some very happy 5800X3D users.
You're right if far cry 5 and borderlands 3 is the entire list of games with Ray tracing since while the performance looks good its is very limited quantity of games- a bit like Ray Tracing was 2 years ago
The real question is will game developers now create games to take advantage of the 3D cache like they are now creating games to take advantage of Nvidia's RT cores?
Pretty sure the performance isn’t limited to a pair of games.
Come on dude, cherry picking results is just that...This looks like more than 4% and this is at 1440P.
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Sure there are other games it does about the same in as well and a few it does worse in like RDR2 but that just means we need more games to be tested because it will depend heavily on what someone plays. I want to see how it does in MMO's or other games that can be really CPU heavy. We also see big wins in stuff like FFXV, Witcher 3 etc so more open world games would be good too. Especially if the reviewer picks scenes with more CPU overhead.
Gaming performance could change between now and launch and will certainly change as updates are rolled out.
The improvements made to the cache system clearly offer some huge advantages.
Okay lets include the Intel win in the form of RDR2 then. AMD wins 2-1 with the rest being a sub 3% margin due to the GPU limit at 1440p with a 3080.
RDR2 is a 5.8% advantage for the 12400F in RDR2 as the fastest Intel CPU. The 12700K is 2.1% faster than the 5800X3D.
Borderlands 3 The 5800X3D wins by 13.2% vs the 12900KS, 21.8% vs the 12700K and 27% vs the 12600K.
Far Cry 5 the 5800X3D wins by 4.6% vs the 12900KS, 10.4% vs the 12700K and 16.3% vs the 12600K.
So no cherry picking at all right now since this is the only 1440p data we have. 2 games AMD wins by good margins vs 1 game where Intel wins but it is the wrong CPU suggesting some engine oddities.
So in a lot of games a 12700(F) will be able to match the 5800X3D, especially at 1440p and 4K but lets wait for more testing to see the picture in RiftBreaker, Age of Empires IV, Far Cry 6, Hitman 3, Watch Dogs Legion, Shadow of the Tomb Raider in a CPU heavy scene, Valorant, Factorio UPS, Civ 6 turn time (hopefully GN test this) and so on to get a bigger picture.
There were some rumours a while back that the 5800X3D would be a limited availability part - I haven't been paying close enough attention, do we know what availability will be like yet?
I hadn't thought I'd be upgrading from my 3700X this soon, but the 5800X3D looks more impressive than I'd expected*. I'd prefer to wait to see more reviews and hear about user experiences before buying though.
*IMO, YMMV, etc. My last four CPUs were a Core 2 Duo E6600, a Phenom II 965BE, an i5-4690K and a Ryzen 3700X, I'm not partisan when it comes to CPUs.
I hadn't thought I'd be upgrading from my 3700X this soon, but the 5800X3D looks more impressive than I'd expected*. I'd prefer to wait to see more reviews and hear about user experiences before buying though.
*IMO, YMMV, etc. My last four CPUs were a Core 2 Duo E6600, a Phenom II 965BE, an i5-4690K and a Ryzen 3700X, I'm not partisan when it comes to CPUs.
I was just reading an article this morning that suggested AMD have upped the production for the 5800x3d from 20K to 50K per quarter (I cant find it again now annoyingly)
My take away from what we have seen so far, the 3d cache tech is very interesting. It's not a universal performance improvement like IPC or clock would be but in certain work loads it gives a pretty decent improvement. I'm not convinced AMD will adopt it for all CPU's going forward, will be interesting to see if this turns up in ZEN4. Also interested to see how it scales with DDR5, although the cache would still be orders of magnitude quicker, it might diminish some of its returns. Maybe AMD expand lines with "gamer" focused CPU's which branch from the standard SKU with 3d cache just as we have now with ZEN3.
The 5800x3d is a great farewell for AM4 and I suspect it will be mostly adopted by people already on the platform. Not sure there is so much sense in buying into AM4 new at this point just to get a 5800x3D. I think people would be better served with the 12700 or wait to see ZEN4.
My take away from what we have seen so far, the 3d cache tech is very interesting. It's not a universal performance improvement like IPC or clock would be but in certain work loads it gives a pretty decent improvement. I'm not convinced AMD will adopt it for all CPU's going forward, will be interesting to see if this turns up in ZEN4. Also interested to see how it scales with DDR5, although the cache would still be orders of magnitude quicker, it might diminish some of its returns. Maybe AMD expand lines with "gamer" focused CPU's which branch from the standard SKU with 3d cache just as we have now with ZEN3.
The 5800x3d is a great farewell for AM4 and I suspect it will be mostly adopted by people already on the platform. Not sure there is so much sense in buying into AM4 new at this point just to get a 5800x3D. I think people would be better served with the 12700 or wait to see ZEN4.
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Yes, my thoughts exactly.
It's also just 10% faster than the 5800X or 6% faster than a 12600k at 720p while costing 50% more so while it may appear a good deal when compared to a 12900k it really isn't in the grand scheme of things.
Not my fault 12900K and KS are such bad buys
£450 of DDR5 vs £95 of DDR4 - add in the £500 board cost of Z690, and you can buy and entire pc inc video card for the cost of your i9
And that's the crux of it.
MSI X570 Gaming Plus: £150
CL 16-20-20 3600MT/s RAM X2 16GB: £120
Ryzen 5800X3D: £410?
Total: £680
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ASUS Z690 Maximus Hero: £500
2x 16 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000: £420
12900KS: £750
Total: £1670, pretty much literally £1,000 more.
People constantly banging on about how they want reviewers to do "realistic reviews" and yet W1zzard from TPU seems to have gone out of his way to use the cheapest parts he could find for the Ryzen system and among the most expensive parts for the ADL system.
Well, then THAT is the price difference for 0.2% better gaming performance at 1080P.
I know at this level of performance the % is everything, cos you're paying for the best, but, while I don't think the 12900KS is a good buy (nor is it supposed to be, heh), the DDR5 used on the KS system really isn't that great compared to 3600 Mhz DDR4:
Depends on the game, there is a 13% gain in Cyberpunk 2077 from using 5600MT's CL36 DDR5 RAM vs 3600MT's CL 16-20-20 RAM.
That and SOTTR also being the only two games TPU and that have in common with eachother.
We are pretending like the mobo will make any difference to the results, arent we? Aokay...
Fact of the matter is, the 3d with the current price is a joke. Costs 50% more than the 12700f and gets crucified in everything bar 720p gaming, and that is by single percentage gains. Even if you have an am4 already its a bad deal, let alone if you have to buy a motherboard
All of those CPUs are if you only game.