AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D retail processor has been tested ahead of launch

[humbug]

You'll find some games favour one over the other and perhaps one reviewer has one winning by a few percent vs another reviewer, but when you average it all out they are basically even.

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[Bencher]

You switch your arguments literally from one post to the next, depending on what suits it.

4% is equal to in reality, glad you now agree, all it took was 2 posts.

Νο Ι don't. We finally agree that the 12700 ties the 5800x3d (in gaming ofcourse, in evertything else its a massacre) at a fraction of the cost. That was my point all along

 

[timorous]

PCGH tests with 4400 ddr5 lol

So something comparable in price to DDR4 then?

It also wins over at Guru 3D and they tested 4K where as you would expect it is GPU limited, except for F1 2020.

As for the 12700. It gets spanked often enough that there are solid cases for going with the 5800X3D instead. Also link me to where I can find a 12700 (or 12700F).

 

[Bencher]

Intel knew how good 3d version would be so they released KS version, RPL 5.8 ghz is officialy panic mode, Intel won't have easy time, they will need to work at full operating mode to control damage.

Im sure they are panicking that a CPU that costs 450€ ties one of their CPUs that cost 320 (just in gaming of course, everywhere else its a massacre). They are losing sleep over it lol

 

[Bencher]

So something comparable in price to DDR4 then?

It also wins over at Guru 3D and they tested 4K where as you would expect it is GPU limited, except for F1 2020.

As for the 12700. It gets spanked often enough that there are solid cases for going with the 5800X3D instead. Also link me to where I can find a 12700 (or 12700F).

Nobody splashes for a ddr5 mobo to buy 4400 ddr5 ram man. You could stick with a bdie ddr4 kit, what's the point lol. Techspot benched the 12700f, it ties the 12700k (there was 1% difference or something)

 

[FangBlade]

Νο Ι don't. We finally agree that the 12700 ties the 5800x3d (in gaming ofcourse, in evertything else its a massacre) at a fraction of the cost. That was my point all along

Control your emotions, you will get sick. Competition is good, this year is very dynamic in cpu space, i hope we will get same in gpu space.

 

[humbug]

Νο Ι don't. We finally agree that the 12700 ties the 5800x3d (in gaming ofcourse, in evertything else its a massacre) at a fraction of the cost. That was my point all along

This is what you said.

No it's not. Can we stop spreading false information?

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2449/bench/Average.png

You said no its not and immediately changed that to yes it is when you brought in the 12700 in the Linus review and are now acting as if you were right all along.

False Information????? Good Grief, i'll say it again, give it a rest.

 

[timorous]

Nobody splashes for a ddr5 mobo to buy 4400 ddr5 ram man. You could stick with a bdie ddr4 kit, what's the point lol. Techspot benched the 12700f, it ties the 12700k (there was 1% difference or something)

Depends on cooling and power usage.

Looking at the power use graphs of the 5800X3D where it is less than the 5800X in games it looks more like power aligned the 5800X3D will smash it by a large margin since HUB / Techspot also had the 5800X3D with 3200 ram as 22.5% faster than the 5800X.

Sure if you spend a lot on cooling and give it unlimited power it might close the gap a bit but then you have additional costs and electricity is not getting cheaper.

 

[LtMatt]

Have there been any reviews that tested 5800X3D performance with an RDNA2 GPU using Smart Access Memory?

 

[Troezar]

I'm not seeing anyone argue that a new builder would buy an AM4 system right now. If they had to most would buy a 12700. Upgraders save selling their old gear, can be a pain, buying new gear with all the inherent issues and then setting it all up, reinstalling OS blah, blah, blah. Intel's big worry isn't this it's the next gen with DDR5, new node, better IPC, 3D cache? Could be a real beast.

 

[Bencher]

This is what you said.



You said no its not and immediately changed that to yes it is when you brought in the 12700 in the Linus review and are now acting as if you were right all along.

False Information????? Good Grief, i'll say it again, give it a rest.

I was trying to make you admit that 4% is basically tied, therefore the 5800x3d ties the much cheaper 12700.

 

[humbug]

Have there been any reviews that tested 5800X3D performance with an RDNA2 GPU using Smart Access Memory?

Pha! no? They don't like using Realisable Bar.

 

[Bencher]

Depends on cooling and power usage.

Looking at the power use graphs of the 5800X3D where it is less than the 5800X in games it looks more like power aligned the 5800X3D will smash it by a large margin since HUB / Techspot also had the 5800X3D with 3200 ram as 22.5% faster than the 5800X.

Sure if you spend a lot on cooling and give it unlimited power it might close the gap a bit but then you have additional costs and electricity is not getting cheaper.

What cooling man, they tested with the stock cooler and it's 3 fps behind, lol. A 20€ cooler gets you 12700k performance, same cooler youd buy for the 3d.

 

[LtMatt]

Pha! no? They don't like using Realisable Bar.

Keep an eye out for them, we know what Smart Access Memory does to performance and in CPU limited scenarios.

 

[humbug]

I was trying to make you admit that 4% is basically tied, therefore the 5800x3d ties the much cheaper 12700.

That's exactly what i said, you then quoted that and barked "stop spreading false information" at me, in the next post said the 12700 was tied with the 5800X3D because there was only a few % difference.

You're trying to change what the argument was post argument, but its all here logged in these pages.

 

[FangBlade]

Intel's big worry isn't this it's the next gen with DDR5, new node, better IPC, 3D cache? Could be a real beast.

True, if AMD managed to do all this with 10-15% IPC deficit and ddr4, then Zen 4 will have very good lead against RPL, and AMD announced excellent OC capabilities of their ddr5 memory controller which isn't surprise considering I/O die use TSMC node unlike Zen 3, and it isn't hybrid solution.

 

[humbug]

Keep an eye out for them, we know what Smart Access Memory does to performance and in CPU limited scenarios.

Unless you're Nvidia.

 

[chroniclard]

Will be happy to see some second hand bargain 5900/5950s hit the MM

 

[humbug]

@LtMatt I can see how the GPU accessing some of that large L3 pool on the CPU can help the GPU tho, that would be an interesting thing to test.

 

[LtMatt]

@LtMatt I can see how the GPU accessing some of that L3 on the CPU can help the GPU tho, that would be an interesting thing to test.

I've been scouring through the reviews but so far I have yet to find anyone testing a 5800X3D with a RDNA2 GPU with SAM enabled. If anyone finds one, please let me know and share it here.