AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[GoRedwings19]

I know this is a 9800X3D thread but, pursuant to my previous gripe with HUB content, I see they've now done another pointless comparison of the 14900K and Ultra9 285K. We all know the 14900K is faster! They even say at the end that there are some improvements coming for the 285K which just renders this video even more irrelevant as it will probably all change soon.

If they're this desperate to put out content, how about doing a comparison of the 9800X3D against much older CPUs, like 4/5/6 generations old?
Many people I know only upgrade their machines every 4/5/6 years and want to know what kind of bump they can expect if they upgrade. Try finding any information on how much faster a 9800X3D would be than a 9700K or a 5600X for example, in real-world games with a decent GPU at a sensible res like 1440p.
That kind of info would be far more useful to the average person wanting to know where to put their money than endlessly rehashing what we already know.

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True but what is driving the sales of the 9800x3d? Is it the fact it outperforms a several year old CPU or the fact it faster than a 14900k at certain Res like 1440p or 1080p.

The AVG user don't really watch HUB they watch stuff like Linus and jay2cents.

Even if they upgraded to a 5800x3d or 12900k from a 7700k or whatever they would have seen large performance gains. Most people know even the AVG user knows for the longest of time intel produced the fastest gaming cpu's. Where brute force and sheer nuclear power station sapping power draw is how they maintained their dominance. Irrevelvant of the 9800x3d.

What has changed this narrative is now it uses less power and can still beat it at certain Res.

It is beating the 14900k that's why people want it. They might not necessarily game at 4k but I assume they most certainly will be at 1440p. And as it stands the 9800x3d is the CPU to beat at that Res

You are beginning to sound a bit of an echo chamber around here in this thread.

 

[Nichronos]

Another improvement to previous best scores. 5.85Ghz... @Robert896r1 @Poneros

Dawntrail 720P Laptop Standard Preset (SMT Off)


Cyberpunk 1080P Low Preset @5.735Ghz (SMT On)

Can you PLEASE post a benchmark for Dawntrail on 1080p "Maximum" preset without changing anything and for Cyberpunk with newest patch 2.2 at 1080p "Ultra Preset" again without changing anything as it is from the preset.
You seems to be the only one here with an 9800x3d and 4090 combo, so i am requesting some more realistic benchmarks, please!

 

[mahius]

The low interest in the HWUB comparison of 2 Intel CPUs says a lot. Back when I built my previous build, the tables were turned. I didn't even know what CPUs AMD had, let alone any interest in doing a build with them back then. Today, it's the opposite. Folks don't care what Intel has on offer (hence the low interest in an Intel vs Intel video) and honestly Intel isn't helping matters with the newest CPU being worse than the previous gen and the very bad and forgettable naming scheme.

At least with previous gens we knew what the CPU was when it ended in 900 or 700, etc. This is where AMD has done alright, when there's an X3D on the end, it's very obvious that the CPU is a 3D V-cache model and is probably good for gaming. And numbering the Ryzen 9s with 900+ lets folks know that they have more than 1 CCD/8 cores, for those who need high core count for productivity etc. The only worry is AMD went Intel with the naming scheme of the Strix point laptop CPUs, so now nobody knows what they are. They also messed up on naming stuff like the 8000 series, which further confuses people.

I hope folks enjoy the 9800X3D. I'm content with my 7800X3D, especially given the amazing price I paid for it. I'm also curious to know what AMD will do with the Ryzen 9 X3D chips, are they still coming, do they have 3D V-cache on both CCDs and how will they compare to this 8 core juggernaut?

 

[rebel rebel]

When are these coming back into stock?

 

[ED209]

When are these coming back into stock?

When AMD pull their thumb out their arse and make more.

I get the impression that they released the 9800X3D early due to Intels new CPUs.

They originally planned for this to be released next year, it seems like they made limited stock available now to go up against Intel and then thought "We didn't have to release this now as Intels current CPUs are crap, lets reduce stock and ramp it up next year when we planned"

 

[Gazb]

Anyone running a 9800X3D just with an air cooler? How are the temps?

 

[Meddling-Monk]

Anyone running a 9800X3D just with an air cooler? How are the temps?

Got mine under a D15 G2 (LBC) using the offset.

Running the 9800x3D at -35 Curve Optimzer with +200Mhz and all other settings on auto, DDR5 is 6000MT CL30 2x32GB. When all core workload (Prime95 Small test) it will hit up to 82-85C with an ambient room temp of 25-28C (have elderly here so can't let it run cooler than that), for something lighter (gaming, or Cinebench R23) we're looking at mid 60's to 70's for temps. Rest of case has 7 A14x25 G2's moving air in the system at numbers between 600-850rpm for minimum noise.

:: edit ::
Bah, forgot idle temps: 39C-42C

 

[Proc]

Anyone running a 9800X3D just with an air cooler? How are the temps?

Running it stock on a deepcool AK400 digital single tower with an extra 120mm fan on it. Getting around 43-45 idle and under gaming load anywhere from mid 50s to low 80s depending how the game pushes it.

Thinking about changing to an AIO in the new year though.

 

[GoRedwings19]

Running it stock on a deepcool AK400 digital single tower with an extra 120mm fan on it. Getting around 43-45 idle and under gaming load anywhere from mid 50s to low 80s depending how the game pushes it.

Thinking about changing to an AIO in the new year though.

What do you have the pbo set at?

 

[Meddling-Monk]

What do you have the pbo set at?

Think they meant stock as in, fully default (whatever default is, as mine would just be listed as Auto on my motherboards)

 

[GoRedwings19]

Think they meant stock as in, fully default (whatever default is, as mine would just be listed as Auto on my motherboards)

Okay I understand. Have you ever thought setting your PBo in curve optimiser to undervolt meaning lower temps? You don't have to of course. You might even see a bit of a boost.

 

[Sone]

Got one of these. Was 50/50 between a 5700x3d / 4090 upgrade but then realized could get a full 9800x3d / 4080 super PC for the same money.

So far... wish I'd gone 4090 but hopefully then 5000 series comes out will see this beast unleashed.

On PBO played around a little bit. -30 all cores +200mhz is stable in everything. At -40 its stable in all but prime95. Not incresed any power limits.

 

[Havana_UK]

Anyone running a 9800X3D just with an air cooler? How are the temps?

I'm running my 7800X3D on an air cooler (Noctua D15S) and it's perfectly fine. Gaming rarely sees temps go much in excess of 70 degrees C. I'd expect a 9800X3D to be pretty similar, maybe a few degrees higher because of the higher boost clocks and resulting increased power.

 

[Gazb]

I'm running my 7800X3D on an air cooler (Noctua D15S) and it's perfectly fine. Gaming rarely sees temps go much in excess of 70 degrees C. I'd expect a 9800X3D to be pretty similar, maybe a few degrees higher because of the higher boost clocks and resulting increased power.

Thanks, would probably be a Noctua I'd use if I went air. (Though they have gotten pretty expensive these days)
I'm planning out a new build, and I had already decided I wasn't going with another Corsair all singing all dancing iCue required rgb disco setup, so was looking something more simple like the Phanteks AIO or EK, but then thought, do I even need an AIO for a 9800X3D...

 

[Maccy]

sorry but i dont need anything from you clowns, and ive already got what i wanted from your mom's only fans!
bye

I guess you don’t require an account here any longer then?

 

[Jacky60]

What is the most cost effective cooling for 9800X3D? Do they run much hotter than 7800X3D?

 

[henson0115]

I guess you don’t require an account here any longer then?

any more salt and he'l turn into a salt rock!

 

[Bidley]

What is the most cost effective cooling for 9800X3D? Do they run much hotter than 7800X3D?

I run a D15 that I've had for years but the Thermalright Phantom Spirit/Peerless Assassin is basically the same for a fraction of the cost.

I'm at -30, +200 (I found my more aggressive PBO settings were unstable during gaming) and seeing 38-42 at idle, 50-60 during gaming and upper 70s/low 80s during C23.

 

[GoRedwings19]

I'm running my 7800X3D on an air cooler (Noctua D15S) and it's perfectly fine. Gaming rarely sees temps go much in excess of 70 degrees C. I'd expect a 9800X3D to be pretty similar, maybe a few degrees higher because of the higher boost clocks and resulting increased power.

Funnily enough in gaming it uses more power and boosts higher but runs a little cooler. Where it does run hotter is when you use the multi core aspect of the chips as the 7800x3d is like what 80-85w power usage whereas the 9800x3d while I have seen it listed as a 120w cpu have seen it draw 150w and as high as that may sound it is nothing compared to the 13900k and 14900k.

14900k sitting at the back LMAO’ing 150w….wannabe’s….

 

[GoRedwings19]

So here's an update on how I have been getting on with the 9800x3d. So about a few weeks ago I posted how I wasn't that thrilled with the cpu coming from a 7800x3d. I actually preferred the 7800x3d in all honesty. It suited my usecase perfectly. Pure gaming chip with slower multi core performance. Which didn't bother me as I just game. I am super new to the X3D cpu's. The last AMD cpu I had was a 5950x and then I went the intel route.

I game at 4k so I was always aware that Cpu has a very very small impact overall especially if you are coming from a modern CPU to the 9800X3D. Whether you are running a 7800x3d, 9800x3d or 12900k, 13900k or 14900k. All of these I own. We are talking margin of error %'s. There are a few games are outliers but I am looking at overall general gaming performance. Sure at 1080p and 1440p the performance becomes more clear but at 4k not really.

And so I was left somewhat dissappointed. I was pretty set on selling it. And just using the 7800X3D. So since then what has changed. Well originally i ordered 2 motherboards. A giabyte x870e Aorus pro Ice and an Asus x870A. I ordered the Giga as I fancied a change and it was white. And I ordered the Asus for the 7800x3d. But then I found out they both didn't have asynchronous clocking. Which is not really a big deal as I am not a huge overclocker. A small overclock will suffice. Now both of these boards are fine. And after a few installation issues with the Giga I had no real issues tbh. BUT I also this week ordered the Asus x870e Hero. Personally I don't do black motherboards. I have been building all white setups for the last 4/5 years. It's expensive. But then when I was on intel I always ordered the White rampage formulas and they set me back 600-700 a pop for both the z690 and z790. So for AMD setups it is expensive it not as bad on what I spent on intel boards. Typically I build at least 2-3 gaming pc's a year. It just my thing.

So I popped in the 9800x3d in the hero and the first thing I noticed is that using my pbo settings from teh Giga. It pumps more voltage through my chip. Or the giga is not reporting the right voltage levels. So already I was a bit unsure if this was the right move. But seeming as the CPu was in, might as well test. I also mounted my cooler in a different way as another member suggested it. I found it way more easier and I am not sure if this worked better. The moment I started to test my CPU I noticed that it runs cooler even though it uses more voltage. I am not talking silly numbers like OMG -20c. It was a small temperature decrease of around -5c, -6c.

It didn't change the way my cpu reacted to undervolting. It still does -30 +200. It didn't make it magically become a -40 cpu. But something has changed. While I didn't see an improvement when I initially got it. I do see a slight improvement. My fave way to test cpu's, gpu's is to use the final fantasy benchmarks like dawn trail, endwalker etc. I know what score I get on 12900k, 13900k and 14900k and I know what score I get on each benchmark as I use them all besides a realm reborn. Initially the 7800x3d actually scored better. But after reading other peoples posts here and just trying to learn. The 9800x3d scores higher now. Also the minimums framerate seems higher. The max frame rate in game was never a huge importance t to me. But the minimum and average framerate was. I haven't had much time to do much gaming as work is busy and I don't finish till late. Although I did Download the new Indy Jones games as I want to give that a try and I still play League but that will run on setup from 5 years ago easy. So that's not a real test for it.

So while it hasn't really changed my perception of it a great deal, at least now it doesn't leave such a bad aftertaste for me. But for many out there it gonna be a huge upgrade especially from CPU's from like over 2-3 years