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humbug said:
You people need to stop with this hyperbolic dooms day crying, there are not going to be tariffs added on US products because we are not in the EU/

Actually the EU already puts 15% tariffs on a lot of US products, the US wants its own trade deal with us, the EU also dictate our tax rules, that's another 20%.

Why do you think CPU's / GPU are so expensive compared with the US?
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At the moment things like GPU's don't have tarrifs. Whether this is to do with being in the EU I don't know. You're wrong about VAT as well. The EU say it can't be lower than the base rate (15%). It's 20% because of domestic policy (Like most of peoples problems............)
 
Martini1991 said:
At the moment things like GPU's don't have tarrifs. Whether this is to do with being in the EU I don't know. You're wrong about VAT as well. The EU say it can't be lower than the base rate (15%). It's 20% because of domestic policy (Like most of peoples problems............)
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I'm also pretty sure it is countries like the UK (who would never have it that low) which lobbied for a minimum VAT to stop smaller countries undercutting everyone.

When the 'EU' say things, you have to remember one of those very strong voices is the UK.
 
humbug said:
You people need to stop with this hyperbolic dooms day crying, there are not going to be tariffs added on US products because we are not in the EU/

Actually the EU already puts 15% tariffs on a lot of US products, the US wants its own trade deal with us, the EU also dictate our tax rules, that's another 20%.

Why do you think CPU's / GPU are so expensive compared with the US?
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Because the US companies put the lowest prices for the American citizens.
A Japanese Sony puts the lowest prices for the PlayStation on their islands...
 
muon said:
I'm also pretty sure it is countries like the UK (who would never have it that low) which lobbied for a minimum VAT to stop smaller countries undercutting everyone.

When the 'EU' say things, you have to remember one of those very strong voices is the UK.
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People seem to forget that.
We are the EU.
 
I would be more concerned about the drop in the value of the £ against the $ than about possible trade tariffs.

Another concern would be them getting caught in the mess that will be UK customs for a couple of weeks, if that becomes a problem and causes scarcity then expect retailers to start to price gouge.
 
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awaybreaktoday said:
Will lets hope there is a delay to leaving the EU until way after the release. Really dont want to pay more than is needed.
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Just do what people were doing with the 9900K and import it from the US. Currency conversion, shipping and duties ended up being cheaper than the gouging UK retailers.
 
As long as the Brexit discussion is with regard to effect on pricing I'm OK with it to stay. However, general Brexit discussion should be conducted in Speakers Corner.
 
The fact that people were genuinely better off importing their own tech in the 9th gen intel (and rtx cards actually) made me so angry about the gouging from UK retailers. honestly I have zero trust and respect for them now. I'll probably buy from a US giant moving forwards.
 
theone8181 said:
What I don't get, is surely UK retailers will get a discount for buying in bulk, so is it just the UK side that are taking the mick?
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Yes. Taxes, duties and whatnot bump our prices up a notch, always have. Variations in currency valuation of course play a part too, so with GBP being weak these days that won't help. These things are annoying but unavoidable, it's the way of the world.

What is unacceptable is the capitalist fallacy of "supply and demand" and how it enables supply chains and retailers to overprice and gouge consumers purely to line their own pockets. You've seen Gibbo, for example, post numerous times here how he bumps up the prices of high demand, short supply stock to "manage sales expectations" and how somehow OcUK would develop a negative reputation as a retailer "who never have stock and can't deliver". It's tripe. Supply and demand? Ever heard of first come, first served? Stock counters on a web page do a good enough job of "managing sales expectations".

Short supply is short supply, if a retailer can't get hold of something then that's not a negative reflection on them, it's a negative reflection on the product manufacturer or industry. I don't recall anybody saying "Intel can't make enough 9900Ks, it's all your fault OcUK, I'll never buy from you again! And nor will my wife".

Jacking the price up to bolster/supplement profit margins during a period of short supply is what gives you the bad reputation. If I can't buy because there's no stock, that's frustrating but no big deal. If I can't buy because I can't afford the RRP price, then suck it up buttercup, we don't all get what we want. But if I can't buy because a retailer has cranked the price beyond what it should be then that reflects badly on them because they've excluded me from purchasing in favour of somebody with a fatter wallet.
 
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LePhuronn said:
Yes. Taxes, duties and whatnot bump our prices up a notch, always have. Variations in currency valuation of course play a part too, so with GBP being weak these days that won't help. These things are annoying but unavoidable, it's the way of the world.

What is unacceptable is the capitalist fallacy of "supply and demand" and how it enables supply chains and retailers to overprice and gouge consumers purely to line their own pockets. You've seen Gibbo, for example, post numerous times here how he bumps up the prices of high demand, short supply stock to "manage sales expectations" and how somehow OcUK would develop a negative reputation as a retailer "who never have stock and can't deliver". It's tripe. Supply and demand? Ever heard of first come, first served? Stock counters on a web page do a good enough job of "managing sales expectations".

Short supply is short supply, if a retailer can't get hold of something then that's not a negative reflection on them, it's a negative reflection on the product manufacturer or industry. I don't recall anybody saying "Intel can't make enough 9900Ks, it's all your fault OcUK, I'll never buy from you again! And nor will my wife".

Jacking the price up to bolster/supplement profit margins during a period of short supply is what gives you the bad reputation. If I can't buy because there's no stock, that's frustrating but no big deal. If I can't buy because I can't afford the RRP price, then suck it up buttercup, we don't all get what we want. But if I can't buy because a retailer has cranked the price beyond what it should be then that reflects badly on them because they've excluded me from purchasing in favour of somebody with a fatter wallet.
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It would be interesting to see if that quick gouging profit makes up for people going elsewhere as they are just fed up with it. I have 2 or 3 2080ti models where I keep an eye out for stock and have a list of suppliers I go to and check 2-3 times a day and OCUK is not on that list because of this gouging. Also the fact that, for example, the MSI Trio X went up to £1499 when it came in to stock (not the only model this has happened to) makes a mockery of the "price high as there is no stock available" excuse. All of this just makes the business sound a bit Delboy.
 
B1gbeard said:
It would be interesting to see if that quick gouging profit makes up for people going elsewhere as they are just fed up with it. I have 2 or 3 2080ti models where I keep an eye out for stock and have a list of suppliers I go to and check 2-3 times a day and OCUK is not on that list because of this gouging. Also the fact that, for example, the MSI Trio X went up to £1499 when it came in to stock (not the only model this has happened to) makes a mockery of the "price high as there is no stock available" excuse. All of this just makes the business sound a bit Delboy.
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As far as I am concerned OCUK showed their true colours during the Intel 9th gen release. I (as others have commented) think they made a gross mistake and breach of trust by pedalling the line that it was better to have some stock, at enormously inflated and gouged prices, than to have sold out, fairly and with dignity. I am far from the only person to feel badly treated by this. In such a competitive market, I think this was a daft move to make a quick buck. I am a member of several PC related facebook groups and many of them were commenting on the “greed” of OCUK during a difficult time. Bad call IMO. I quite frankly shop elsewhere now.
 
Indeed voting with your wallet is the only real way you can have your say, since a lot of the advice given on here is to 'suck it up'. Making fast cash isn't always the smart move and can prove to be costly in the long term, as people certainly remember bad deeds more than good ones.

That being said a business there to make money, and the ethics of the people behind the company decides how to do that best. I base a reasonable amount of my everyday purchases on how ethical companies are, whether that be price gouging, environmental impact, or other equally important factors, and it can sometimes be hard since the crux is normally that most are solely in it for the money regardless of the impact to the customer/environment/etc.
 
Journey said:
Indeed voting with your wallet is the only real way you can have your say, since a lot of the advice given on here is to 'suck it up'. Making fast cash isn't always the smart move and can prove to be costly in the long term, as people certainly remember bad deeds more than good ones.

That being said a business there to make money, and the ethics of the people behind the company decides how to do that best. I base a reasonable amount of my everyday purchases on how ethical companies are, whether that be price gouging, environmental impact, or other equally important factors, and it can sometimes be hard since the crux is normally that most are solely in it for the money regardless of the impact to the customer/environment/etc.
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There is something strange about this and the GPU forum, that any criticism of price will have some people seemingly genuinely angry at you.
 
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