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Just imagine awarding Oscars for movies that aren't due out for months after the ceremony.
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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
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Just replicate the coil whine frequency at 140dB for 1 minute and kill the sound forever, easy.
I thought it sounded like you'd never hear it in a case til ~30% duty. Which prob provides sufficient airflow to keep temps in check looking at the fan size specc'd.
if you don't like your GPU fans, get a kraken G12 and put an AIO on it. never looked back.
No doubt Intel's software developer "support" team is already writing code to freely give to software developers, which disables extensions, adds some extra do nothing loops etc. when it detects AMD CPU.
Also equally sure Intel is offering reviewers "helpfull" guides how to test with no Windows security patches for Intel and no Windows scheduler fixing patch for Ryzen.
No reason to think Intel isn't using their old dirty tricks, when they've never been properly punished even from breaking laws.
Oh jaysus.
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This feels like the longest launch ever. I remember getting hyped for CES in Jan!! thinking we might get something soon after then! Hell I was ready last year.
Never mentioned the GPU fans, the loudest thing in my system is the mechanical drive the GPU coilwhine under certain loads.
Last thing I want a screaming little fan constantly underload.
Here's hoping they really are quiet, and at worst a slight hum. Although who knows, darn NDAs!!
This is because the industry has been **** for the last 10 years.
First of all it would be impossible to guarantee every reviewer getting test products at same.
So that would make starting positions unfair.
Also sites compete to get more visitors and viewers for ads.
So no doubt there would be sites publishing shoddily done reviews before others just to get those extra visitors.
That would also risk risk erroneous results from too hurried testing.
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Yes, I would suggest the 3700X to you. You're moving from a Pentium, correct? That will be a night and day difference for yourself.
As for gaming, it depends on the games you want to play. However, since the 3700X has all around higher clocks and a larger cache, there's no reason to believe that it will be slower.
That one slide pretty much makes my prediction plausible. It was an increase in the L2 cache that gave Ryzen its supersonic performance in the benchmark, before it was patched.
1.308 V is good and definitely lower, compared to the existing chips. 4.20 GHz on first-generation Ryzen would typically require north of 1.45 V, while second-generation allowed those clocks at slightly lower voltages, and higher clocks to be reached with higher voltages.
The 2600 should provide a sizable improvement for your non-gaming tasks. Somewhere in the order of 50%, assuming you can make use of all 12 threads. I guess it depends on your software stack.
Then you obviously know much more about Zen2 than AMD do themselves?
Oh hang on, " i don't think there is any scaling"..........................AMD obviously do, just for the record the 3950x will have 2 cherry picked CCX's that neither you or i know what they are capable of yet. One thing is for sure though, it will be a much better SKU than all the SKU's below it. If by your own analysis the 3800x will match the 9900k, then the 3950x will blow it out of the water.
For productivity, sure. For gaming, not so much. A slightly higher clock frequency and double the cache may provide an improvement, but with the latency penalty, it will be within margin of error.
With Precision Boost 2, the all-core boost has the ability to be identical to the single-core boost. Whether or not it is, depends on the system configuration and environmental factors, but that's how it works.
CPU-Z reads the data of core 0 by default. Sometimes you can capture the screenshot during a C- or P-state transition though. But to read the frequency information of the other cores, you need to right-click on the reading.
#All*
* Precision Boost 2 can, but that doesn't mean it will. But yes, best case scenario, is all of them.
Silicon Lottery suggests that 49% of all i7-8700K SKUs top out at 5.10 GHz, while 65% of all i7-8086K super-binned SKUs top out at 5.20 GHz. If we assume the 9900K has similar binning to these chips, you're looking at 5.10 GHz for most.
Also worth noting that while just 4% of i7-8700K chips reach 5.30 GHz, this figure jumps to 15% for i7-8086K models. But then that's 4% of a much larger production by comparison.
So the 3800X will beat the 9700k by miles in gaming?
I have my 9700K at 5.2GHz all cores when gaming.
I fancy a change
To be honest, with your 9700K at 5.20 GHz, you may not see that much of a difference, if any, going to a 3800X.
But 9900k 5ghz is not its OC limit
Eh... It's pretty close to its limit, and operating well outside of its ideal range for the node. Half of i9-9900K SKUs fail to go higher than 5.10 GHz.
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hurried testing? They have had the chips for MONTHS! what difference does releasing the reviews a few days earlier mean???
Also, I'm not against NDA per say. (So all reviewers release ta the same time). But make that time BEFORE the product launch to Joe Consumer.
There is nothing wrong with setting an NDA date, the problem is setting that date to be the same as the launch date.
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Review sites, no... Affiliates to board vendors or AMD/Intel then yes but under watch .
Boards wouldn't arrived into the UK/EU that long ago - as well as the rest of the work.. just takes one pirate to mess up a huge shipment and seems that's now common etc .
Will have to scan AMD NDA (first Gen ) and you'll see it's not work breaking it if your an average Joe
Would be nice to have it 24 hours before launch at least - but AMD have done enough teasing anyways
It's intel and their 10 core that are going to have to 'leak' the hell out of it to draw attention
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AMD have done enough testing anyway? LOL. Thats hilarious. Completely unbiased testing of course. Or their OWN product lol.
Call me cynical but I like to see reviews from third parties before making my decisions. Not just from AMD who, while I am not saying are liars, certainly have a vested interest in making sure their data sets are absolutely best possible case.
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@beany_bot , their own RX 5700 testing is more bit and miss then Zen2 .
But gives enough indication it's a competitor to intel, and Intel's memo confirms it .
With so many reviews , no stone would be left unturned.
But for workstation users, they are all **** and Puget systems is a godsend for their testing .
Anyone looking at doing video editing , Geomapping, rendering, would highly recommend waiting for their reviews
But gives enough indication it's a competitor to intel, and Intel's memo confirms it .
With so many reviews , no stone would be left unturned.
But for workstation users, they are all **** and Puget systems is a godsend for their testing .
Anyone looking at doing video editing , Geomapping, rendering, would highly recommend waiting for their reviews
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its released on the 7th as will reviews. watch a review in the morning and order by midday if you are that desperate.
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I am sure 24 hours after NDA most literate people will have a good idea of the merits. All the reviews will be posted on day one and some serious reading will produce your answer.
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Big launches, and small light weight, high value products are air freight not stuck on a container ship. Believe I've mentioned this before.
That’s pretty much standard practice when you have a crap product, but they do not.
I’m lucky that I’m not waiting to upgrade and can peruse the reviews and OC guides until at least September. Feel for those that have literally been waiting for these to drop before building their next PC/upgrade.
Agreed. You'd think AMD would allow the reviews to go up a week or so before general sale to build the hype.