AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[andy_mk3]

I will be waiting on mobo reviews. I have to say though my Gigabyte Z77X-D3H has performed flawlessly over the years along with my 2600k, so would have no issues buying a well reviewed Gigabyte board.

 

[Kelt]

So what's the justification (if any) for the ludicrous pricing on these mobo's?

 

[Captain]

The Asus ROG Crossfire VIII Formula is on pre-order at £675 from a major UK retailer. LOLWTFBBQ?

Spoiler

Wasn't aware Amazon had boards up already, will check them out.

 

[Madpete]

I will also be avoiding Asus, as they simple refuse to honour their warranty.

I have bought £££££'s of Asus kit, first time I needed warranty on one product they didn't want to know so it's goodbye!

I have been hearing decent things about Gigabyte, so I think they will get my money.

The way things are looking, I will be jumping into a 3000 series CPU from a 2500k.

Question for the people who have a Ryzen CPU, who are best for motherboards? I'll be avoiding ASUS like the plague due to their rubbish RMA, which manufacturers should I be looking at?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So what's the justification (if any) for the ludicrous pricing on these mobo's?

They are probably looking at the total cost of an X299 motherboard and a Core i9 7920X or Core i9 9920X,and thinking with the Ryzen 9 3900X being under £500,they can go mad on the motherboard pricing,as AMD is still cheaper.

OTH,they seem to not realise that people will look at the cost of an HEDT motherboard and think why a consumer socket motherboard costs more money,especially as they need better VRMs anyway.

 

[andy_mk3]

Publicity too? If they were like £400, people would be like, yeah that's top tier stuff, not interested. But like £777, that got us talking about it.

 

[HeX]

Wouldn't even entertain the CH8 at that kind of money, it's crazy. Especially when you can pick up a CH7 or Taichi Ultimate for ~£250 now. I highly doubt there's going to be £400 more performance coming from the CH8...

 

[rallyslag]

i for one will not pay more than £250 for an X570 .f there is not one at that price or lower i will wait for B550 or get a decent X470.

 

[EsaT]

This seems a bit unlikely. If a board was sold as supporting all of the Ryzen series but only actually worked with the low end chips surely they'd be inundated with returns. From the reviews I've seen of the low end boards they all seem to be able to handle the 2700X and even cope with a modest overclock. I'm sure they're not capable of being pushed as hard as high end boards, but merely adequate is perhaps a better description than garbage.

Lots of "reviews" are ads for RGB crap and other useless fads like that VRM cooking "IO cover".
In the Stilt's testing stock 2700X made VRM of B450-F Strix overheat after 12 minutes of x264 encoding and same VRM design Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro reached very high 101C in 20 minutes.
Enabling Precision Boost Overdrive was too much even with 2600X.

Google translate does actually mostly pretty decent job.
https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/testissa-amd-b450-emolevyt-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi/

Same substandard VRM is used in many boards:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

i for one will not pay more than £250 for an X570 .f there is not one at that price or lower i will wait for B550 or get a decent X470.

Looks lot like you can hope B550 for Christmas at earliest.
Because shipping of B550 is going to start at Q4 assuming Asmedia can keep its planned schedule and doesn't hit to problems.

 

[DragonQ]

I feel like people don't understand the difference between the Crosshair Hero and Crosshair Formnula. The latter will be significantly more expensive as it has goodies like 10 GbE.

 

[alec]

I guarantee to you, give people access to something like a Kaveri A10 APU and a Kaby Lake Pentium, and 90% will not be able to tell the difference. It matters to those only that like to see larger (or smaller in this case) numbers.

Note how I started with "for me", not "those people". Don't care about numbers, do notice the latency.

 

[McGraw]

I hate the way people on the internet need to make themselves feel better,by trying to pick up on insignificant rubbish.





A dash of water is scientifically proven to improve the taste of Whisk(e)y.



Use a full stop.



Technically this is not incorrect,but it is not convention anymore to start a sentence with "And".



Ending the sentence with a comma. Also some punctuation wouldn't go amiss.



It is "generation" since you like to be neurotic about terminology. Again you are missing a full stop or exclamation mark.



There is a missing full stop in your second sentence,and the last sentence should be "1440p looks good on my TV but is just slightly softer than 4K."



It is surprising you like to use the verb "Google". It originated as a verb in the United States in 1998,it was first used on American television and was added to our vocabulary at a later date.



How please? Disk management is only showing a normal partition structure.Thanks.


I can also play at being neurotic too!

The delicious irony of moaning about my standard of writing,yet several of your own sentences are missing words and punctuation. Worry about yourself.

Not the standard of writing per say (joke), just the creeping use of U.S. words into the British English speakers’ language.

I don’t pretend to be a perfect user of the English language but I’m glad this has struck a chord. There are mistakes in what you have written in your your critique of me too, but that’s fine, you didn’t choose to make those mistakes.

Google’s fine; it’s used the same by any English speaking country. It didn’t start off as Google then become something else later.

I really didn’t mean for this to become such a big deal so please accept my apology.

Edited to sort out the iPad typos.

 

[McGraw]

I think Zen 3 will be the final Ryzen generation on AM4, which will come out next year. So yes, I completely understand your thought process, and agree for the most part. If you plan on keeping the system for half a decade, it would be worth getting a decent board, but there's no need to go overkill.




The irony is that it hasn't crept into anything. American English is closer to its roots than British English. As you say, "gotten" used to be traditional in British English, and now it isn't. But that doesn't mean that it isn't accepted. There's nothing wrong with speaking properly.

I have friends in New York who use "costed." It's not a thing that I do (I have mixed heritage from Georgia, and midland UK).

It doesn't matter how "off of" is used because both forms are colloquial and strictly informal.

Lastly, "there is loads" is wrong in both American and British English. No excuse there.

Yes it should be “there are loads”. Loads is fine, very common usage in the UK.

Look, I just hate “gotten” ok! It’s only creeping back into British English after being left for dead, due to people either being taught the wrong words at school or letting media influence affect the way they communicate.

Going to have a good word with myself about this.

 

[conqi]

Wouldn't even entertain the CH8 at that kind of money, it's crazy. Especially when you can pick up a CH7 or Taichi Ultimate for ~£250 now. I highly doubt there's going to be £400 more performance coming from the CH8...

You realise thats the CH8 Formula you are comparing to the CH7 Hero?? There is also an upcoming CH8 Hero which is comparible to the CH7 Hero.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I feel like people don't understand the difference between the Crosshair Hero and Crosshair Formnula. The latter will be significantly more expensive as it has goodies like 10 GbE.

The X470 Taichi Ultimate is £230 and has 10 GbE ethernet. Looking at US reviews the premium was $60 over the standard X470 Taichi.

 

[Mercutio]

Is it a 9900 beater though when it comes to audio production? Which I do a lot of. Cores and threads matter with that, much more tha gaming.

AAAAAARRREEE you easyrider in disguise?

 

[HeX]

I feel like people don't understand the difference between the Crosshair Hero and Crosshair Formnula. The latter will be significantly more expensive as it has goodies like 10 GbE.

Taichi Ultimate has 10GbE and is currently £230. What additional features of the Formula makes up the other £445?

 

[Mercutio]

Taichi Ultimate has 10GbE and is currently £230. What additional features of the Formula makes up the other £445?

Asus ROG advertising and ****y RMA.

 

[Alan1969]

Depends on what motherboards you'll be looking at.
Out from current half of Asus and Gigabyte boards have pretty much garbage VRM good for only 65W TDP CPUs and you need to pay lot to get proper modern VRM.
(like that Asus X470-F Strix, which has step below top level VRM)
MSI has at least decent VRMs in most of their B450/X470 mobos.

Though from available information X570 mobos seem to have overall way better VRMs.
But pricing is still open and how well that chipset can idle, because it has really high 15W max consumption and needs chipset fan.

so far I have only ever had Asus or gigabyte motherboards, but what about MSI gaming carbon pro - aren't they meant to have good vrms and power delivery?

 

[DragonQ]

The X470 Taichi Ultimate is £230 and has 10 GbE ethernet. Looking at US reviews the premium was $60 over the standard X470 Taichi.

Taichi Ultimate has 10GbE and is currently £230. What additional features of the Formula makes up the other £445?

Apparently 5 GbE (not 10 as I originally stated), an OLED display, and an extra vertical M.2 slot. I'm just pointing out they're not the same and the price of one doesn't reflect the price of the other.