AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Pannalicour]

One of the amd slide showed that a 3900x should score around 7000 on cinbenche r20. I think it is @ stock. My questions are:

1) At what speed do you guys think is stock for the 3900x

2) and if you can overclock the 3900x to 4.5 or 4.6 ghz all core what score do you guys think can be achieved on cinebench r20 multi and single test?

 

[Oblivion007]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the physical look of the X570 Taichi?

Specs wise, if it is at the £250 price point, it could be the best value for money but that big gear thing puts me off

 

[Nghtmare]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the physical look of the X570 Taichi?

Specs wise, if it is at the £250 price point, it could be the best value for money but that big gear thing puts me off

For me is the opposite, I love how it looks. I guess is the fact that the majority of the board is matte black.

 

[muon]

• AMD Ryzen 9 3950X: $749 (about £590) + VAT = £708 expected price ~£709-719
• AMD Ryzen 9 3900X: $499 (about £390)+ VAT = £468 expected price ~469-479
• AMD Ryzen 7 3800X: $399 (about £310)+ VAT = £372 expected price ~369-379
• AMD Ryzen 7 3700X: $329 (about £260)+ VAT = £312 expected price ~319-329
• AMD Ryzen 5 3600X: $249 (about £200)+ VAT = £240 expected price ~239-249
• AMD Ryzen 5 3600: $199 (about £160)+ VAT = £192 expected price ~189-199

Those are old exchange rates.

Today $499 = £397. Add 20% £476.

As we've seen from leaks the going price will be £479.

Similarly we know the 3600 price is £189. That's $199 which converts to £158. Add 20% and you actually get £189.

 

[TrM]

One of the amd slide showed that a 3900x should score around 7000 on cinbenche r20. I think it is @ stock. My questions are:

1) At what speed do you guys think is stock for the 3900x

2) and if you can overclock the 3900x to 4.5 or 4.6 ghz all core what score do you guys think can be achieved on cinebench r20 multi and single test?

I think the all boost clock speed with 4.3 ghz on all cores and maybe 4.4 or 4.5 boost manual overclock all core .

I can’t see the 3900 or 3950 being great overclockers I can see the amd precision boost thing pushing them to the limits with very high Vcore

The bit I’m more interested in though is how there boost system handles games only using 4 or 6 cores they have said the boost can go over 200mhz higher then rated clock speed in perfect conditions.

In most real world conditions I can see the the auto tech beating a all core overclock or that’s I hope it will

 

[Kelt]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the physical look of the X570 Taichi?

Specs wise, if it is at the £250 price point, it could be the best value for money but that big gear thing puts me off

It's pretty discrete.

At least the mobo isn't one of those horrendously garish white cheapo looking jobbies.

You'd hardly notice that once all your gear is installed.

 

[gupsterg]

According to ASRock's motherboard descriptions, official support for 2x dual rank sticks on Matisse is 3200 MT/s, so that should be the minimum the IMC can do. For reference, Pinnacle Ridge was 2933 MT/s.

Below is from 2xxx reviewers guide.

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PR on dual rank was 2666MHz/2400MHz/1866MHz depending on config, etc.

1xxx reviewers guide had:-

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From ASRock X570 product page I think 3xxx Official speeds will be as below:-

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[Pannalicour]

I think the all boost clock speed with 4.3 ghz on all cores and maybe 4.4 or 4.5 boost manual overclock all core .

I can’t see the 3900 or 3950 being great overclockers I can see the amd precision boost thing pushing them to the limits with very high Vcore

The bit I’m more interested in though is how there boost system handles games only using 4 or 6 cores they have said the boost can go over 200mhz higher then rated clock speed in perfect conditions.

In most real world conditions I can see the the auto tech beating a all core overclock or that’s I hope it will

It is 7250 on stock so a slide overclock maybe 7500 or 7600. It is much better then the threadripper 1950x

 

[Steveocee]

Just nice to see what my options are, not sure why that would annoy anybody tbh

You obviously missed the second and third sentences then:

This kind of comparison annoys me. They aren't even "same" tier products. Like comparing an older i5 to a newer i7.

 

[Oblivion007]

You'd hardly notice that once all your gear is installed.

Gear replacing the gear. I see what you did there

 

[Kelt]

Gear replacing the gear. I see what you did there

I never even noticed!

 

[Zeed]

@gupsterg no changes then. Ryzen = Single rank memory

 

[Alan1969]

I have the same board, and i fear it might not be able to.

Well actually, I do think it'll handle it but highly doubtful if there are plans on overclocking

I plan to overclock the 3600 which should keep me going for a while and then after a few years perhaps to prolong the lifetime of the mobo and computer replace for a 4th gen 16 core which hopefully will be cheaper and faster. If I do that then I will not expect to overclock the 16 core on a B450 and running at stock should be more than powerful enough anyway.

this article https://www.bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-details-ryzen-3000-series-precision-boost-overdrive/1/

now says that the 3rd gen PBO will work on any mobo that supports 3rd gen ryzen - and so hopefully I can run a 4950X at stock on a MSI b450 gaming carbon pro

 

[gupsterg]

@gupsterg no changes then. Ryzen = Single rank memory

It was a given single sided/rank would be best. But if the ASRock info is AMD Official then some of the higher density cases have gained nice speed bump, reference the orange text in updated image.

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[DragonQ]

Below is from 2xxx reviewers guide.

Spoiler

PR on dual rank was 2666MHz/2400MHz/1866MHz depending on config, etc.

1xxx reviewers guide had:-

Spoiler

From ASRock X570 product page I think 3xxx Official speeds will be as below:-

Spoiler

Those are pretty pessimistic official figures though: I can run dual rank at 3000 MT/s on my Prime X370-Pro and R7 1700. I expect X470/X570 + Matisse, which officially supports 3200 MT/s, to reach 3600 MT/s in most cases.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I don't know why people expect overclocking headroom any more. Adaptive boost clocks basically do away with overclocking in terms of max clock speed. The only real thing overclocking brings is opening up TDP to allow turbo clocks to be maintained on more cores such that cooling allows.

Takes any chip from 1995-2010-ish and you have chips basically defined by their base clock and we add 'boost' clocks through overclocking. With boost evolving every gen we have base clocks like the old chips and boost clocks increasing ever higher and getting very close to max stable clocks you can overclock to. The only difference is at stock the boost clocks should reduce as more cores are loaded to stay within TDP.

I haven't been excited by actual clock speed overclocking in years, most chips get fairly close to what they can do in single core, increasing allowable TDP and cooling will increase all core boost clocks.

It seems strange to say a 3900X has little headroom, as it implies that there should be lots of headroom and that other chips have it.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

I don't know why people expect overclocking headroom any more. Adaptive boost clocks basically do away with overclocking in terms of max clock speed. The only real thing overclocking brings is opening up TDP to allow turbo clocks to be maintained on more cores such that cooling allows.

Takes any chip from 1995-2010-ish and you have chips basically defined by their base clock and we add 'boost' clocks through overclocking. With boost evolving every gen we have base clocks like the old chips and boost clocks increasing ever higher and getting very close to max stable clocks you can overclock to. The only difference is at stock the boost clocks should reduce as more cores are loaded to stay within TDP.

I haven't been excited by actual clock speed overclocking in years, most chips get fairly close to what they can do in single core, increasing allowable TDP and cooling will increase all core boost clocks.

It seems strange to say a 3900X has little headroom, as it implies that there should be lots of headroom and that other chips have it.

As a consumer you'd be wanting near-best performance out of the box, so the current methodology is exactly that. As a direct consequence of this we are seeing higher RRPs for CPUs across the board.

 

[redfist]

Already shipped.

Just post a note on the CS forum, they’ll likely match the discounted price

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Would help if you read the whole post!

It's $249, which is £198+ VAT is ~£240 give or take. Pricing is from ASRock.

Yeah, still be more . Happy to do £5 bet on that . Reseller with VAT being More then £240 . Should be pushing In line with Strix, Ace and Ultra £300

Either that have found a really cheap way of doing PCIe 4.0.. haven't used signal boosters like the rest (very easy to see , little rectangle boxes under main x16 slot normally ) or used really cheap parts else where .

I know they have dropped taichi being flagship but didn't think it would be lower end/entry

 

[TrM]

As a consumer you'd be wanting near-best performance out of the box, so the current methodology is exactly that. As a direct consequence of this we are seeing higher RRPs for CPUs across the board.

Whilst I agree that a customer sould be getting near top performance out of the box . And I very glad it’s moving that direction

But the last 10 years of of Intel dominance with quad core refresh after refresh and lower clock speed then max overclock headroom getting a 4 core cpu at 4.4ghz max clock and getting to run at 5ghz for the privilege of owning a k series processor people expect to buy a unlocked chip and overclock the hell out of it .

Be it right or wrong but people’s perceptions changed from intel being the only game in town for high end cpu’s With amd now being very competitive in performance and upping the core count it’s gonna take a while for people to accept the new changes