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Think I may wait for another year. The My 1700 at 4.0z


This is relevant to me, I'm thinking of upgrading my 1700 at 4.0ghz to 3900x.

So I would be looking at around a 60% performance increase in multi workloads.

60%, hmm is that worthy enough of an upgrade.
It’s a massive increase in the world of cpu’s.
 
Worth buying these now in preparation or waiting for reviews/feedback and risking increased prices?

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This is relevant to me, I'm thinking of upgrading my 1700 at 4.0ghz to 3900x.

So I would be looking at around a 60% performance increase in multi workloads.

60%, hmm is that worthy enough of an upgrade.

The real question is whether you need additional multicore performance. The other benefit from Zen to Zen 2 is a supposed 15% IPC and 10% clock uplift helping lightly threaded workloads so would that help you.

Unless I enjoyed having the latest hardware and upgrading, I wouldn't do it. Unfortunately I change chips (upwards and downwards) every 6 months :o
 
If i own that motherboard . . . max i would subject it to is a 12 core. Should handle it fine. The 16 core cpu is the reason we have the overbuilt, super expensive X570s - imo.

It would only be 8 core max for me anyway. I rarely ever go top end as I dont think they are worth the premium.

I'm more bang for buck person and even less so now as my enthusiasm for pc hardware has been dwindling over the last few years so I want to spend the least amount of money possible when I do eventually upgrade
 
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That was £20 cheaper yesterday.

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It can be had for way less than £139.99 they are having a giraffe.
 
I'd wait for the reviews to get a feel for memory compatibility and how speed on and off the Infinity Fabric divider affects system performance.

Good plan. I'm normally cautious so will likely take a while before buying to keep an eye on prices and reviews, plus invaluable experiences of early adopters...
 
AORUS 7 sits under Pro and Above elite. Unlike the Pro/Ultra and Master its 8 layer PCB but 2 Vrms less - 10x 50amps vs 12 40amps . all have fancy finned heatsink and 8+4 CPU power

Sweet, thanks for the details. Much appreciated.


The new Ryzen 3000 - it's fast.

..Except when it isn't.

Brilliant! I don't need to know anything else.


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Thanks for this very useful list, man. :)

Looks like the X470 AORUS Gaming 7 Wi-Fi will be just fine.


Honestly, and seriously, what exactly is your problem around this. Go run a series of benchmarks at stock settings on a bunch of games and cpus, are your numbers wildly different to reviews out there? No, then serious get a grip with this "no one can review it but you" nonsense because it's insane. You work in a store where you have access to and test kit, for all intents and purposes everyone else here has to spend this stuff called money to get these products and the only way to review them, as you suggest, is buying every single cpu from both companies on the market, test them and then return them all except the one you want?

That's not how the world works, it's insane to push that idea. Reviews are mostly pretty close to each other and outliers can be spotted a mile away. One reviewer might be an Intel shill and use the wrong memory settings to reduce performance, even then it's probably going to lose 2-3% performance, not 50%. If you think reviews can't give you an exceptionally good idea of the performance of what you're buying, then how do you expect to sell products to your customers and how do you think you don't have 95% of products returned for failing to live up to expectations.

It is extremely easy to read a few reviews from different sources and know what performance a product has, implying this isn't possible is just being dishonest. If 5 reviews all show lets say a 3800x beating a 9700x in Cinebench, you think that result will change if we buy and test it for ourselves, you think somehow the scores will be 10% higher or 25% lower and we got tricked into buying the wrong CPU? I honestly have no idea what planet you're living on if you think all OCUK customers should just randomly pick parts and test for themselves as reviews are apparently not any good.

A 3800X will perform the same in the Anandtech system, as the techpowerup system, as my system. if I want a 3800x for working with Maya, I'll check a few reviews that use Maya, if I want it for gaming, I'll check several reviews that have gaming results and if I mostly play RTS or FPS I'll compare the performance in those games. That's how 99% of the world makes decisions on buying products.

The whole point of "review culture" is that, a few people get all the stuff and compare them so that every single user doesn't have to. Because a few hundred people doing that around the world means millions of people don't have to test every single chip themselves.


It's worth pointing out that you seem to post a lot of negativity around any AMD product being launched and don't post that with Nvidia/Intel product launches.

Just ignore him, it's what I do. Unfortunately you can't seem to actually put OcUK staff on ignore properly, but I just let his comments pass right by.

I'm surprised that these guys would want him representing their brand, with his level of arrogance at times.


Rather than buying a 12/16 core, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper just to buy two 3600 / 3700X and put them in a dual socket motherboard? That is, if they become available. Maybe there's a reason why people don't do this though?

I've never seen a dual-socket AM4 board. I don't think we'll ever see one either, since there are even some single-socket EPYC processors. No reason for AMD to cannibalize other product sales.
 
Worth buying these now in preparation or waiting for reviews/feedback and risking increased prices?

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That was £20 cheaper yesterday.

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It can be had for way less than £139.99 they are having a giraffe.

Just google it and you can see thats its still available for that price elsewhere
 
I don't know why people expect overclocking headroom any more. Adaptive boost clocks basically do away with overclocking in terms of max clock speed. The only real thing overclocking brings is opening up TDP to allow turbo clocks to be maintained on more cores such that cooling allows.
Precision Boost Overdrive already pretty much achieves that.
If motherboard can provide more current and CPU isn't too hot, it automatically relaxes TDP.
 
Dual socket would, typically, be server class. Whilst offering more cores it, typically, would offer less in typical gaming options such as SLI, etc. perfect for home labs running ESXi. Possibly happen due to the huge core count but I’d stick with a good single processor for gaming.


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This thread has barely been past the first page of 'New posts' for the recent weeks, I don't remember any CPU launch talked about this much before.
 
2x16 also worked no issues and 4x8 3600c14.
Indeed if Zen2's memory controller can actually reach 4000+ MHz numbers with two single rank DIMMs, 3600MHz with 16GB dual rank DIMMs or with four 8GB DIMMs shouldn't be that excessively demanding.

After having used 16GB already six years certainly like the idea of upgrading also that...
 
This thread has barely been past the first page of 'New posts' for the recent weeks, I don't remember any CPU launch talked about this much before.

I think its because each year the number of people that haven't upgraded for such a long time are hoping for something worth upgrading to. I'm interested, although won't be getting a Zen2 until there is a fanless motherboard. Under volting+overclocking interests me on i9. It's all very interesting. Looking forward to actual reviews.
 
I think its because each year the number of people that haven't upgraded for such a long time are hoping for something worth upgrading to. I'm interested, although won't be getting a Zen2 until there is a fanless motherboard. Under volting+overclocking interests me on i9. It's all very interesting. Looking forward to actual reviews.

There are fanless X570s. Some of the more expensive ones.
 
as did the previous gen :p

Thats what people said when new consoles came out with 8 cores in them like 7 eyars ago :p

In a way, yes, but those eight cores together were only about as powerful as a Pentium G4560. Even less when you consider that games don't actually get to use all of them.

The new consoles will provide a platform for PC gamers to reap the rewards. There's no doubt that Sony and Microsoft will use the low clocks (~ 3.00 GHz) of the CPUs to ensure that as much of the CPU is utilized as possible to make up for any loss of performance. When you have desktop chips with 50% higher clocks, it can only help the situation.


Which had 1.6Ghz Bulldozer cores, 2 of which were dedicated to OS.

Even worse. They are based on the low-power, high-efficiency cat cores. Jaguar specifically.

PS4 @ 1.60 GHz
XBO @ 1.75 GHz

The PS4 Pro has a 2.10 GHz turbo mode, while the Xbox One X has a 2.30 GHz turbo mode. The stock frequencies are retained for guaranteed compatibility.


Already expected, some reviewers already leaked news that Ryzen 3000 is not a good overclocker.

The out of the box speed is basically what you get unless you use LN2 and 1.7v

Once again, AMD is using the node to grab as much as it possibly can in the fight against Intel. This leaves nothing on the shelf for the end user and does in practice make AMD look bad, but the end result is that everyone who buys these chips will be more or less on an even playing field.


Is it possible that the b550 chipset could simply be b450 rebranded or slightly improved, with better / newer firmware? Or, is that a silly idea?

Possible. I don't put anything past these companies.


How do you know this? It seems very unlikely that B550 won't have PCIE4.0.

I've already covered this with a previous post, but the manufacturing costs involved with PCIe 4.0 pretty much guarantee that it will be limited to X570 chipsets and whatever is released in tiers above that.
 
I think its because each year the number of people that haven't upgraded for such a long time are hoping for something worth upgrading to. I'm interested, although won't be getting a Zen2 until there is a fanless motherboard. Under volting+overclocking interests me on i9. It's all very interesting. Looking forward to actual reviews.
You could get an X470 board or B550
 
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