AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[andy_mk3]

I think its because each year the number of people that haven't upgraded for such a long time are hoping for something worth upgrading to. I'm interested, although won't be getting a Zen2 until there is a fanless motherboard. Under volting+overclocking interests me on i9. It's all very interesting. Looking forward to actual reviews.

I don't think holding out for a fanlass board is totally needed. Of course we don't know for sure just yet, but I cannot see them being that noisy under normal use, it would be suicide from the mobo makers to have them ramped up all the time and be noisy.

 

[Journey]

I've already covered this with a previous post, but the manufacturing costs involved with PCIe 4.0 pretty much guarantee that it will be limited to X570 chipsets and whatever is released in tiers above that.

As I just said in another thread, they always have the option of just having PCI-E 4.0 supported on the 16x slot, and the m.2 off the CPU, with an ASMedia PCI-E 3.0 handling the rest of the gubbins. It would make most sense to keep the cost down, and offer the feature still.

Let us not forget AMD told certain board makers to disable PCI-E 4.0 support in the X470/B450 BIOS after it was already added, as they didn't want to cause confusion, if some boards had it and other didn't.

 

[Drollic]

The fan noise is a concern given the size of them. I saw a post recently on an early mobo teardown stating they aren't dissimilar to a PS4 pro operating under load. Take from that all of nothing till you see for yourself I guess. A small amount of noise is fine, just not when it's a distinctly different pitch.

 

[dogma77]

The fan noise is a concern given the size of them. I saw a post recently on an early mobo teardown stating they aren't dissimilar to a PS4 pro operating under load. A small amount of noise is fine, just not when it's a distinctly different pitch.

fan is actually the only thing that stops me from buying x570

 

[Drollic]

fan is actually the only thing that stops me from buying x570

Fan and cost for me. Could well go x470 taichi depending on the fan and the cost of x570. I'm not sure how bothered I am about pcie4 given the speed and cost of current m2 nvme combined with the fact that Pcie3 should be good enough for 4k 144hz gaming on next gen cards.

 

[schumi84]

Well my Phenom 1090T system is slowly dying (well the OS disk is) so I thought I may as well get the upgrade process moving.

Motherboard, memory and NVME drive have been purchased and will be getting installed ready for the 3600 release hopefully at a decent price.

I’m wanting a small upgrade on the stock cooler and won’t be manually clocking the CPU (at least initially) so was thinking something along these lines, any good?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-h7-single-tower-heatsink-with-120mm-fan-hs-008-cy.html

 

[keyser]

I've owned a noisy northbridge fan before - 10 years ago! Never again. Going quiet build this time around. I bought a NAS just so I no longer have a HDD in my PC.. its in the kitchen

 

[Drollic]

I've owned a noisy northbridge fan before - 10 years ago! Never again. Going quiet build this time around. I bought a NAS just so I no longer have a HDD in my PC.. its in the kitchen

How did you fix it?

 

[carbide]

The fan noise is a concern given the size of them. I saw a post recently on an early mobo teardown stating they aren't dissimilar to a PS4 pro operating under load. Take from that all of nothing till you see for yourself I guess. A small amount of noise is fine, just not when it's a distinctly different pitch.

I dare say, if you did have a raid m.2 setup, you could setup the fan profile to let the chipset run a bit warmer and keep the noise down? I mean, most fans tend to run outside their rpm/efficiency after ~70% anyway, and that one we heard on the x570 (ace?) a few pages back wasn't really an issue til ~40%

I just don't think it's going to be an issue until you're striping a long, sustained data set, fairly specific use case, where case fans, cpu fans etc. are probably not at idle speeds either?!

 

[carbide]

Also, don't hit me with a stick if it's already been posted before (I don't really doubt it has) but el chapuzas have updated their article with an X570 board...

https://translate.google.com/transl...ico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x570-review/

 

[keyser]

How did you fix it?

The northbridge fan? Zalman made a replacement northbridge cooler

I dare say, if you did have a raid m.2 setup, you could setup the fan profile to let the chipset run a bit warmer and keep the noise down? I mean, most fans tend to run outside their rpm/efficiency after ~70% anyway, and that one we heard on the x570 (ace?) a few pages back wasn't really an issue til ~40%

I just don't think it's going to be an issue until you're striping a long, sustained data set, fairly specific use case, where case fans, cpu fans etc. are probably not at idle speeds either?!

Yeah well I did wonder about just unplugging the X570 fan from the header.. its only 15W.. maybe all kinds of beeping every time I reboot.

 

[Zeed]

@DylRicho power does not matter. Devs sill had to code games to use 8 cores. If they had 32 cores running at 500mhz in them consoles would need to code for 32. Problem is PORTS ARE ****... Just look what sort of cpu power some of those ported games need compared to calculator cpus ion consoles. You think that will change ?? For WORSE if anything!!!

 

[ricid]

The northbridge fan? Zalman made a replacement northbridge cooler



Yeah well I did wonder about just unplugging the X570 fan from the header.. its only 15W.. maybe all kinds of beeping every time I reboot.

Would be surprised if aftermarket chipset coolers don't reappear again over the next few months.

 

[razorpakk]

Also, don't hit me with a stick if it's already been posted before (I don't really doubt it has) but el chapuzas have updated their article with an X570 board...

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x570-review/

It was posted the day after the original review came out.

3 days to go and we'll finally know if all this was worth it...

 

[Temi_D]

In case anyone is interested the crucial BLS2K16G4D32AESE (32GB 2x16 3200 c16 and supposedly Micron E-Die) is on sale for £141.08

 

[decto]

Would be surprised if aftermarket chipset coolers don't reappear again over the next few months.

I unfortunatly had a Nforce 650i SLI chipset with a passive north bridge that got very very hot and unstable when high FSB, 1333/1600 (remember that?) was used to OC.
I added a small 40mm fan spinning very slowly at 5V and with a resistor to slow it even more, even though it spun very slowly and silently, the heatsink was just warm to the touch.

You only need a small amount of air movement to make a big difference on a heatsink, the issue back in the late 90's was lots of very cheap fans running a high speed on inadequate heatsinks.
Properly designed they can be near silent and reliable.

We'll have to wait reviews though to see who put in the effort.

 

[ricid]

I unfortunatly had a Nforce 650i SLI chipset with a passive north bridge that got very very hot and unstable when high FSB, 1333/1600 (remember that?) was used to OC.
I added a small 40mm fan spinning very slowly at 5V and with a resistor to slow it even more, even though it spun very slowly and silently, the heatsink was just warm to the touch.

You only need a small amount of air movement to make a big difference on a heatsink, the issue back in the late 90's was lots of very cheap fans running a high speed on inadequate heatsinks.
Properly designed they can be near silent and reliable.

We'll have to wait reviews though to see who put in the effort.

The problem is that small fans have to move fast to do anything worthwhile. A well designed 80mm fan can be silent, I've yet to hear a 40mm fan that is bearable when moving. Maybe noctua do one for £50 made out of unicorn horn or something.

 

[Drollic]

The problem is that small fans have to move fast to do anything worthwhile. A well designed 80mm fan can be silent, I've yet to hear a 40mm fan that is bearable when moving. Maybe noctua do one for £50 made out of unicorn horn or something.

In that awful colour scheme they finally look to be changing with the latest fans. Cream and brown, just no.

 

[ricid]

In that awful colour scheme they finally look to be changing with the latest fans. Cream and brown, just no.

It's not their fault, the red horned unicorn is endangered.

 

[Gee]

Thanks for this very useful list, man.

Looks like the X470 AORUS Gaming 7 Wi-Fi will be just fine.

I didnt make the list, someone on Reddit did - but you're welcome!

There is an updated list though here with a few fixes/additions: https://i.redd.it/dzbx9fdkxv731.png

Update v1.1 (2019-07-02): Made a fair few changes with this revision, including:

• By popular request, the form factor column has been added.
  
  
• By popular request, Biostar's boards have been added. I would still not recommend getting them, but the information's there for your viewing pleasure.
  
  
• Phase doubling is now denoted by an asterisk instead of a plus to avoid confusion with the standardised x+y naming scheme for VRMs that denotes [primary rail] + [secondary rail] phases. So a doubled six phase is now denoted as 6 * 2 instead of 6 + 6.
  
  
• Changing some of MSI's slightly better B350/X370 designs to be okay for 100A. I think I was a bit too conservative there, the MOSFETs are bad, but they're not that bad.
  
  
• All of the garbo tier boards (e.g. ASUS B450M-E) have had their 100A ratings changed to 'needs airflow'.
  
  
• I've changed all of the 6 x IR3553 ATX designs to 'needs airflow' for 200A instead of not being recommended, but keep in mind the VRM will be generating approx. 36W of heat at 200A so you really do need a fan directly on that, and I'd also consider not OCing as heavily on those designs for a 3950X.
  
  
• All older mITX designs have had their 200A ratings changed to 'not recommended' (sorry MSI B450I lovers), I stumbled on this Optimum Tech video that really made me re-consider my mITX ratings.
  
  
• Shuffled some names around for easier readability and other minor formatting changes.