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AMD better pray that the 3D chip is really far ahead of the competition.
Or you know they could just price their CPUs to reflect their performance against the competition
They could but when some people are trying to defend the Ryzen 5 7600X and expensive AM5 platform,why would they care? Then on purpose trying to ignore the E-cores help performance too.
It was the same with Zen3,they defended AMD jacking up prices(bad when Intel did it,but not when it was on the other foot). Then also ignored that Intel has had some very decent value options under £300 in the last two years or so.
In 2022 how can people defend a £300+ six core CPU,when Intel has given us a 14 core hybrid CPU for similar money?!
They could but when some people are trying to defend the Ryzen 5 7600X and expensive AM5 platform,why would they care? Then on purpose trying to ignore the E-cores help performance too.
It was the same with Zen3,they defended AMD jacking up prices(bad when Intel did it,but not when it was on the other foot). Then also ignored that Intel has had some very decent value options under £300 in the last two years or so.
In 2022 how can people defend a £300+ six core CPU,when Intel has given us a 14 core hybrid CPU for similar money?!
That holds true if you happen to game with a top card. People that are interested in a 7600x are unlikely to have such a high end card. The 13600k is essentially a 6 core CPU for gaming. Both systems are hugely expensive and not worth the money. I'm interested in how these CPUs do with mid range cards and upgrade paths. Intel are on a dead platform so if you are buying a 13 series CPU you are on it for a good few years. Neither company is offering anything worth while. Intel are using far too much power to achieve their MT scores.
Don't disagree with any of that. And yet muggins here is still wanting to go with AM5 purely because I know I can get at least another CPU gen out of it. That could backfire though if they are still behind, everything I have would be riding on the 3D chip being good.
I nearly pulled the trigger last night on the 13600kf. Ultimately no matter what I get, I'll always wish I probably got the other thing such is life.
depending how desperate you are or need system now, I would wait see what the 3d offers if primary is gaming hope they give different tiers in it still wont be cheap but with Intel competing can only hope I know board and ram prices will drop
at the moment im leaning towards 3d+b650e board
Don't judge me but I kind of wanted to play the new WOW expansion and some other stuff.
I have seen a fairly decent X670E board for 290 today which I'm tempted to buy because although expensive that is not in the price range where I'm going to cry if it drops by 100 quid in a month.
AMD CPU/motherboards are in a real mess in my opinion. The crazy 2mm thick IHS to get partial AM4 cooler support and needing to have tape to protect the gaps. The £300 to £900+ motherboards. Intel is now the value option and performance is very close, so it becomes a no brainer to go Intel, more so at the low to mid-range. AMD needs to act before they lose the market share they gained.
I have a 1700 and a 5600x. Changing to a 5800 or 5900 will improve my system no ends for a lot less than AM5 or 13 series.Agree with this too. Don't really like either options but I just don't want to buy old stuff
I have a 1700 and a 5600x. Changing to a 5800 or 5900 will improve my system no ends for a lot less than AM5 or 13 series.
That holds true if you happen to game with a top card. People that are interested in a 7600x are unlikely to have such a high end card. The 13600k is essentially a 6 core CPU for gaming. Both systems are hugely expensive and not worth the money. I'm interested in how these CPUs do with mid range cards and upgrade paths. Intel are on a dead platform so if you are buying a 13 series CPU you are on it for a good few years. Neither company is offering anything worth while. Intel are using far too much power to achieve their MT scores.
Yeah that's all really good still. I know this but I have some stupid mental block that just means I cannot bring myself to do it. Closest I got was a 58003D but then I thought £360 is still a lot of a processor I wont be able to upgrade from without changing everything again.
That was a decent price - I almost thought of getting one myself but since I had a Ryzen 7 5700X already so didn't.
click bait title again. 7600x has better average than the 13600K while being a cheaper CPU. productivity is irrelevant for these chips TBH.
Sure,but we are just comparing the new releases from both companies. Going with Zen3 or even Alderlake makes the best sense in terms of value for money. A Ryzen 7 5700X is under £240.
The Core i5 13600KF is as fast/faster in many image editing,video encoding and rendering benchmarks as a Ryzen 7 7700X or Ryzen 9 5900X/5950X:
OcUK Intel Raptor Lake review thread
Because you can use 8000 ddr5 ram on the Intel, and you can't on AMD? With 3D memory of CPUs and Direct Storage on GPUs, next year is the year RAM goes to die doesn't have any affect on gaming anymoreforums.overclockers.co.uk
That includes stuff I use and know plenty of people use. So if you are building new its competing in productivity benchmarks with CPUs over £420.
The extra 8 Skylake level meme cores would help with streaming and video capture performance. In some of the more CPU limited games,I could see Zen4 or Rocket Lake improving performance a decent amount over my Ryzen 7 5700X.
So for the non-gaming stuff the Core i5 13600KF looks impressive,especially since the performance drop with decent DDR4 is probably at worst about 10% looking at some comparisons. Even capping the TDP and undervolting the Core i5 13600KF wouldn't drop performance too much. Also,the dead platform argument doesn't hold because the Ryzen 5 7600X is a weaker CPU, so you will have to replace it quicker.It also costs only slightly less than the Core i5 13600KF. In the US they cost more or less the same.
If the Ryzen 7 7700X was closer in price to the Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF it would be more of a point IMHO.With AM4,the AMD CPUs were much cheaper than the Intel options for similar core counts or offered far more for the same money. This time they are not cheap.
So for someone going for a new "high end" build,a Core i5 13600KF,with a decent DDR4 B660 and some tuned DDR4 makes the most sense. Also not everyone upgrades on the same platform - plenty of people on here just say that and changed the CPU and motherboard. An example is when AMD blocked PCI-E 4.0 on B450/X470(it did work) and people ditched decent motherboards to get a 500 series motherboard. Also remember AMD tried to block Zen3 on B450/X470 until the backlash happened:
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There is no guarantee on B650/X670 with Zen5 there won't be feature blocked or have some issue happening.
Now do I think both are overpriced,especially with our poor exchange rates. But if we are comparing overpriced products,Intel is offering something better for less money.
Personally for me,I hope this release makes AMD price its lower end Zen4 products better. Because if does not happen,we will be having £400 six core CPUs from AMD with Zen5.
click bait title again. 7600x has better average than the 13600K while being a cheaper CPU. productivity is irrelevant for these chips TBH.
Credit has to be given to Intel for making a decent performing Core i5.
AMD better pray that the 3D chip is really far ahead of the competition.
Or you know they could just price their CPUs to reflect their performance against the competition