Intel say the 13900KS will do 6ghz "out of the box". I'm not sure how previous generation KS's ran tbh speed and heat wise.
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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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HUB have the 7700X as faster than the 13700K in gaming by a tiny margin when both are paired with good DDR5 and a tie with the 5800X3D when paired with DDR4 so how is the 13600K faster in gaming than thr 7700X?
13600K looks better overall vs the 7600X but for gaming only it looks like a wash if both have DDR5 or if you pair the 13600K with DDR4 the 7600X is faster.
Platform cost does favour the 13600K though but just like initial z690 and b660 motherboards were expensive at ADL launch I expect X670 and B650 motherboards to come down in price so the value proposition will change in a few months.
Still if building right now the 13600K is a very good buy although if someone is on AM4 and only cares about gaming then the 5800X3D is also a good shout.
Thats just how I feel. While I fully understand how some people can enjoy obsessing over tweaks to get that last 1%. Personnel that has lost its appeal to me on modern systems. The auto OC systems are so good these days just click and go and you are 98% of the way there to what we used to fine tune our self. These days I would rather spend the hours using the computer over the hours fine turning.My days of obsessing trying to get out a 1% performance increase are behind me.
Furthest I'll go is apply an auto OC (not even needed) and that's it.
Plug and play for me now, life too short
This is something I keep seeing and I really don't get it. The iGPU seems to cost a lot extra for no real benefit. Unless I have missed something the so-called extra versatility is fluffy and not really extra versatility that is that useful. Or is there some sort of new iGPU feature where it does something alongside the main GPU? I have yet to see any benefit that justifiers the cost.
The only justification I tend to see is if your GPU dies you can still use your PC, but I mean how common is that?
Potentially another benefit could be you could run a secondary monitor from the onboard GPU instead of your main one, but I don't use two screens so for me it's not needed.
Caporegime
I said it was faster than a Ryzen 5 7600X whilst pretty fighting with a Ryzen 7 7700X in gaming and productivity(in many cases its actually faster in the latter):
OcUK Intel Raptor Lake review thread
Because you can use 8000 ddr5 ram on the Intel, and you can't on AMD? With 3D memory of CPUs and Direct Storage on GPUs, next year is the year RAM goes to die doesn't have any affect on gaming anymore
forums.overclockers.co.uk
The Core i5 13600K destroys a Ryzen 5 7600X in image editing,video editing and rendering,and in many cases is faster than a Ryzen 7 7700X. Also,many gamers stream and capture video - the 8 Skylake level meme cores will help a lot for multi-tasking.
The Core i5 13600K is faster overall in many reviews than a Ryzen 5 7600X/Ryzen 7 7700X/Ryzen 9 7900X:
Page 2 | Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K review: an effective redoubt against AMD's Ryzen 7000 advances
Digital Foundry tests the Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K, two Raptor Lake processors that offer more cores, higher clocks and winning results.
www.eurogamer.net
Intel Core i5-13600K review
Okay, so you really need to check out this Raptor Lake processor; the Core i5 13600K has six performance cores and eight energy-efficient ones. Meaning you'll have plenty of multi-threaded performanc... Performance - Gaming RTX 3090 - 1920x1080 (Full HD)
Intel Core i9-13900K & Core i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Roars - Page 5
More cores, more cache, higher frequencies, and a refined design and manufacturing process boost the performance of Intel's 13th Gen Core processors - Page 5
In the DF review,the Core i5 13600K loses 3 games to a Ryzen 7 7900X but wins 8. Guru3D it wins 6 out of 6 against the Ryzen 9 7900X. The same for Hot Hardware.
In this review both AMD and Nvidia dGPUs are used:
Intel Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K und i5-13600K im Test: Befreiungsschlag für den Chipriesen
Diese Seite und die nächste drehen sich um die Leistung des Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K und Core i5-13600K. Werden Alder Lake und Zen 4, die Ryzen-7000-Prozessoren geschlagen? Natürlich ist auch dieses Mal unsere Benchmark-Bestenliste dabei.
With an AMD dGPU or Nvidia dGPU,the Ryzen 7 7700X/Ryzen 9 7900X wins 6 and loses 6:
Intel Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K und i5-13600K im Test: Befreiungsschlag für den Chipriesen
Diese Seite und die nächste drehen sich um die Leistung des Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K und Core i5-13600K. Werden Alder Lake und Zen 4, die Ryzen-7000-Prozessoren geschlagen? Natürlich ist auch dieses Mal unsere Benchmark-Bestenliste dabei.
Against the Ryzen 5 7600X with an AMD dGPU,the Core i5 13600K loses 3 games and wins 9,and with an Nvidia dGPU wins one and loses in 11 games. In this review the Core i5 13600K is pegged as faster than a Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X over 11 games:
Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K & i5-13600K: Gaming-Könige im Test: Fazit
Intel Raptor Lake im Test: Fazit / In Gaming-PCs auch gezügelt spitze / Anwendungen bleiben (noch) AMDs Metier
www.computerbase.de
TPU is showing the Core i5 13600K ahead of the Ryzen 5 7600X too:
Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU
Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.
This Polish website shows the Core i5 13600K loosing in 4 games to a Ryzen 7 7700X and winning 7:
Intel Core i5-13600K – test procesora. AMD ma problem
Testy wydajności procesora Intel Core i5-13600K z rodziny Raptor Lake: gry (Battlefield V oraz Counter-Strike: Global Offensive)
ithardware.pl
In the Gamersnexus review the Core i5 13600K beats the Ryzen 5 7600X 4 times and loses two times. When the Core i5 13600K wins over a Ryzen 5 7600X,it tends to be in the class of a Ryzen 7 7700X.
Also,with DDR4 you have at worst a 10% performance drop:
Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D
Introduction Any new technology is going to come with a hefty adoption cost, and the Z790 and Intel 13th Generation of processors is no exception. However, during our time with the various motherboards we had on hand we noted that a few of them support DDR4 rather than demand you invest in DDR5...
But according to discussions here,that review ran the DDR4 unoptimally,so actually there is room for improvement. The Ryzen 5 7600X isn't that great for the price you are paying IMHO.
In the US it is even worse as the Core i5 13600KF and Ryzen 5 7600X have almost the same RRP. On Newegg the Core i5 13600KF is $310 and the Ryzen 5 7600X is $300. I think in the UK the volatility of the exchange rates hasn't helped the Intel pricing a bit. But even then at under 10% extra cost over a Ryzen 5 7600X and around £60 less than a Ryzen 7 7700X,the Core i5 13600K looks pretty decent IMHO.
But it all starts to make sense when you realise AMD is charging more per core for a Ryzen 5 7600X or Ryzen 7 7700X than the Ryzen 9 CPUs. At Ryzen 9 per core pricing using OcUK prices,the Ryzen 5 7600X should be £290 and the Ryzen 7 7700X should be £385.
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Why creators NEED an iGPU alongside their dGPU - Intel QuickSync
What is Quick Sync? What is NVENC? Well today we compare the Intel Quick Sync UHD 770 vs NVENC. Though when you buy an Intel CPU (besides the F variant) and...
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iGPU is good for quick sync which is explained well here. If that’s not of use to you, then KF is fine
Not only is it extremely rare the one time I had problems with the GPU out of 1000+ computers I have installed the onboard GPU wasn't needed and wouldn't have helped to fix the problem. Even if it useful just get hold of a cheap £10 GPU. As for the port a few weeks ago, I needed to add a 3rd display port to a computer that only had 2 ports so I fitted a cheap £10 ish USB stick to display port for the 3rd screen. As far as I can see the only two benefits of an iGPU are very rare and easily solved with cheaper solutions.
I said it was faster than a Ryzen 5 7600X whilst pretty fighting with a Ryzen 7 7700X in gaming and productivity(in many cases its actually faster in the latter):
OcUK Intel Raptor Lake review thread
Because you can use 8000 ddr5 ram on the Intel, and you can't on AMD? With 3D memory of CPUs and Direct Storage on GPUs, next year is the year RAM goes to die doesn't have any affect on gaming anymore
The Core i5 13600K destroys a Ryzen 5 7600X in image editing,video editing and rendering,and in many cases is faster than a Ryzen 7 7700X. Also,many gamers stream and capture video - the 8 Skylake level meme cores will help a lot for multi-tasking.
The Core i5 13600K is faster overall in many reviews than a Ryzen 5 7600X/Ryzen 7 7700X/Ryzen 9 7900X:
Page 2 | Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K review: an effective redoubt against AMD's Ryzen 7000 advances
Digital Foundry tests the Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K, two Raptor Lake processors that offer more cores, higher clocks and winning results.
Intel Core i5-13600K review
Okay, so you really need to check out this Raptor Lake processor; the Core i5 13600K has six performance cores and eight energy-efficient ones. Meaning you'll have plenty of multi-threaded performanc... Performance - Gaming RTX 3090 - 1920x1080 (Full HD)www.guru3d.com
Intel Core i9-13900K & Core i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Roars - Page 5
More cores, more cache, higher frequencies, and a refined design and manufacturing process boost the performance of Intel's 13th Gen Core processors - Page 5hothardware.com
In the DF review,the Core i5 13600K loses 3 games to a Ryzen 7 7900X but wins 8. Guru3D it wins 6 out of 6 against the Ryzen 9 7900X. The same for Hot Hardware.
In this review both AMD and Nvidia dGPUs are used:
Intel Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K und i5-13600K im Test: Befreiungsschlag für den Chipriesen
Diese Seite und die nächste drehen sich um die Leistung des Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K und Core i5-13600K. Werden Alder Lake und Zen 4, die Ryzen-7000-Prozessoren geschlagen? Natürlich ist auch dieses Mal unsere Benchmark-Bestenliste dabei.www.pcgameshardware.de
With an AMD dGPU or Nvidia dGPU,the Ryzen 7 7700X/Ryzen 9 7900X wins 6 and loses 6:
Intel Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K und i5-13600K im Test: Befreiungsschlag für den Chipriesen
Diese Seite und die nächste drehen sich um die Leistung des Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K und Core i5-13600K. Werden Alder Lake und Zen 4, die Ryzen-7000-Prozessoren geschlagen? Natürlich ist auch dieses Mal unsere Benchmark-Bestenliste dabei.
Against the Ryzen 5 7600X with an AMD dGPU,the Core i5 13600K loses 3 games and wins 9,and with an Nvidia dGPU wins one and loses in 11 games. In this review the Core i5 13600K is pegged as faster than a Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X over 11 games:
Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K & i5-13600K: Gaming-Könige im Test: Fazit
Intel Raptor Lake im Test: Fazit / In Gaming-PCs auch gezügelt spitze / Anwendungen bleiben (noch) AMDs Metier
TPU is showing the Core i5 13600K ahead of the Ryzen 5 7600X too:
Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU
Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.www.techpowerup.com
This Polish website shows the Core i5 13600K loosing in 4 games to a Ryzen 7 7700X and winning 7:
Intel Core i5-13600K – test procesora. AMD ma problem
Testy wydajności procesora Intel Core i5-13600K z rodziny Raptor Lake: gry (Battlefield V oraz Counter-Strike: Global Offensive)
In the Gamersnexus review the Core i5 13600K beats the Ryzen 5 7600X 4 times and loses two times. When the Core i5 13600K wins over a Ryzen 5 7600X,it tends to be in the class of a Ryzen 7 7700X.
Also,with DDR4 you have at worst a 10% performance drop:
Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D
Introduction Any new technology is going to come with a hefty adoption cost, and the Z790 and Intel 13th Generation of processors is no exception. However, during our time with the various motherboards we had on hand we noted that a few of them support DDR4 rather than demand you invest in DDR5...www.overclock3d.net
But according to discussions here,that review ran the DDR4 unoptimally,so actually there is room for improvement. The Ryzen 5 7600X isn't that great for the price you are paying IMHO.
In the US it is even worse as the Core i5 13600KF and Ryzen 5 7600X have almost the same RRP. On Newegg the Core i5 13600KF is $310 and the Ryzen 5 7600X is $300. I think in the UK the volatility of the exchange rates hasn't helped the Intel pricing a bit. But even then at under 10% extra cost over a Ryzen 5 7600X and around £60 less than a Ryzen 7 7700X,the Core i5 13600K looks pretty decent IMHO.
But it all starts to make sense when you realise AMD is charging more per core for a Ryzen 5 7600X or Ryzen 7 7700X than the Ryzen 9 CPUs. At Ryzen 9 per core pricing using OcUK prices,the Ryzen 5 7600X should be £290 and the Ryzen 7 7700X should be £385.
From what I have seen the places that used a 4090 got quite different results to those using 3090's or 3080's and in many cases those that used the Ampere part were using that older driver without the cpu overhead optimisations.
Igor using a 6950XT.
https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/11-FHD-FPS.png
HUB have not released the article version on techspot which is a pain but they used a 4090.
I am waiting for the 50+ game benchmark from HUB and hopefully more testing once reviewers upgrade their rigs to use a 4090 / RDNA3 part because there are a lot of discrepancies review to review and while some variance is expected the amount of variance across reviews on the general ranking is far greater than I would expect even accounting for methodology differences.
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Caporegime
It could be that,but the reality its quite clear over a range of common dGPUs from both AMD and Nvidia,the Ryzen 5 7600X tends to not be quicker. Then when you take into account how it gets destroyed in productivity and the fact the 8 Skylake meme cores help for streaming/video capture,there are only edge cases where a Ryzen 5 7600X makes any sense. Plus in the US they cost pretty much the same. It wouldn't surprise me that with tuned DDR4,the gaming performance is not that different too.
But the biggest issue is AMD has gotten complacent and ignored the Skylake meme cores. They had advanced warning with how the Alderlake Core i5 12600K did against the Ryzen 5 5600X. They have done this all the time,when they get the performance lead they get complacent - even in the Athlon 64 era they saw how the Core performed in laptops(it beat the Athlon 64 IIRC),and knew the Core2 was coming yet they kept the high prices. Intel had an easy win. AMD should have priced the Ryzen 7 7700X closer to £360,and the Ryzen 5 7600X closer to £270. The Ryzen 7 7700X against the Core i5 13600K/13600KF would have been a better comparison. It would also mean the Ryzen 5 7600X would be fighting the Alderlake based Core i5 13500/13600 CPUs too.
If anything with Intel adding lots of meme cores to the Core i5,it's really time AMD makes the Ryzen 5 an 8 core CPU now,especially as they want to charge over £300 for a Ryzen 5.
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12 game average I thought the 13600k would be ahead of the 7600k with having 8 e cores extra nothing really in it , guess the 6 full cores vs 6 p cores AMD are slightly stronger I know productivty is different story but productivity at this tier wouldnt my main concern
Regardless AMD pricing is crap when 13600k can be had for around the same price
Regardless AMD pricing is crap when 13600k can be had for around the same price
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Soldato
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In lots of reviews the Core i5 13600K beats the Ryzen 5 7600X,so it depends on what you are testing! Also remember,the E-cores handle lots of background tasks too,ie,if you stream or video capture this is going to be a great CPU:12 game average I thought the 13600k would be ahead of the 7600k with having 8 e cores extra nothing really in it , guess the 6 full cores vs 6 p cores AMD are slightly stronger I know productivty is different story but productivity at this tier wouldnt my main concern
Regardless AMD pricing is crap when 13600k can be had for around the same price
Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
Never looked at these KS chips, I vaguely remember reading review that they get extremely hot, but what has the performance been like in previous generations, is it worth it? Intel say the 13900KS will do 6ghz "out of the box". I'm not sure how previous generation KS's ran tbh speed and heat wise.
forums.overclockers.co.uk
Now,if AMD had priced the Ryzen 7 7700X closer to a Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF it would be more favourable to AMD.
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12 game average I thought the 13600k would be ahead of the 7600k with having 8 e cores extra nothing really in it , guess the 6 full cores vs 6 p cores AMD are slightly stronger I know productivty is different story but productivity at this tier wouldnt my main concern
Regardless AMD pricing is crap when 13600k can be had for around the same price
13600K is £380 and 7600X is £320. That is a £60 difference
For those on LGA1700 already RPL looks like a good upgrade. 12900K performance for £380 is not bad and was the exact same thing people were saying about the 5800X3D. For those buying a new system it really depends what motherboard you go for and if you want to do any productivity stuff then 13600K wins but for gaming + web browsing an argument can be made for the 7600X. If AMD drop the price or they come out with non X variants for sub £300 then it swings back their way, especially once B650 motherboards start to come down in price in a month or so (which might be why AMD are holding back on the cheaper CPUs because the platform cost is still a bit out of whack).
I see it currently for less, non X variants would be lower in peformance though , if someone at this moment was on budget and wanted something for gaming I would be going with the 13600k at this moment
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Lots of reviews are using Ampere with an older driver and they are all over the place. Some have Zen 4 ahead of ADL and other have it a bit behind.
For a 1080p CPU review the outlets using a 4090 by far get a stronger weighting by me simply because that GPU is pushing far more of the bottleneck to the CPU and this can be seen in the 1440p results as well.
Yep. 13600KF was £300 if you knew where to look. Prices have now been changed. They were not a mistake but often retailers increase the price when there are vouchers available.
Caporegime
The Core i5 13600KF is £350ish so 10% more expensive. In the US the Newegg price is within $10 of each other.
The Ryzen 5 7600X gets destroyed in productivity benchmarks:
OcUK Intel Raptor Lake review thread
Because you can use 8000 ddr5 ram on the Intel, and you can't on AMD? With 3D memory of CPUs and Direct Storage on GPUs, next year is the year RAM goes to die doesn't have any affect on gaming anymore
forums.overclockers.co.uk
Most reviews place the Core i5 13600K as faster in games:
Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
Never looked at these KS chips, I vaguely remember reading review that they get extremely hot, but what has the performance been like in previous generations, is it worth it? Intel say the 13900KS will do 6ghz "out of the box". I'm not sure how previous generation KS's ran tbh speed and heat wise.
forums.overclockers.co.uk
Lots of gamers stream or video capture now,so the 8 Skylake meme cores would help massively in that regard.
Even with using DDR4 in a suboptimal way,the difference in performance is less than 10% or thereabouts:
Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D
Introduction Any new technology is going to come with a hefty adoption cost, and the Z790 and Intel 13th Generation of processors is no exception. However, during our time with the various motherboards we had on hand we noted that a few of them support DDR4 rather than demand you invest in DDR5...
So you can use much cheaper DDR4 memory,and even a decent B660 motherboard with great VRMs can be had for £150ish.
Can't use the KF argument anymore because Zen 4 has an iGPU now.