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AMD Zen 5 rumours

I do wonder if Zen 5 was really expecting 3nm and they had to make changes late and cut back on stuff - and at that stage they probably had a list of feature X gains Y % more performance but costs Z in area. If they made cuts to the final design those might have been responsible for the unbalanced end results.
That seems like the Nintendo way, save a bit of money to gimp your product.
 

Eh... i'm only about half way through this.

Gordon and David McAfee, making the point that a reviewer is likely to test i different part of the game which may produce a different result to your marketing material is a fair point and true, however, its skirting around the real issue, these tech journalists are calling you lairs, incompetent, deliberately misleading your costumers and even calling the hardware worse than the previous generation, that is not something to be taken lightly, as just one of those things, its nothing blase' its very serious.

What you should be doing is giving these people your exact testing methodology, the exact point where your game testing starts, the exact rout and exactly where it ends, if they follow that exactly there is no way they can result anything more than a margin of error deviation from your own testing, IE 5% of the delta in your results.
When they come to you and say "these are our results and they are really bad", you don't just "oh well never mind that's fine" at the very least you ask them to replicate your testing to verify there isn't a problem, you even get their testing methodology to verify at your end, at the very least you should make sure they are under no illusion that your results are accurate even if theirs are too, because any excuse to throw mud your way they will jump on it eagerly.

I hope you learned something.
 
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Or they will simply wait for Zen4 supply to dry out first, just like NVIDIA did with 4k series when 3k series was still around. No price drops, just time.
Depends how good intel ends up being in a few weeks, the latest rumours are pointing to a arrow lake i9 outperforming the 9950X and also using 100w less power than a 14900k which would be quite a turn around.
 
Depends how good intel ends up being in a few weeks, the latest rumours are pointing to a arrow lake i9 outperforming the 9950X and also using 100w less power than a 14900k which would be quite a turn around.
Only downside is that there might only be those and the refresh on that platform before it's replaced for Nova Lake in 2 years, some won't mind.. but then a decent board isn't always that cheap either
 
Depends how good intel ends up being in a few weeks, the latest rumours are pointing to a arrow lake i9 outperforming the 9950X and also using 100w less power than a 14900k which would be quite a turn around.
I haven't kept up with the rumours.
Arrow Lake has no hyperthreading on the P cores, is that right? So is it still P cores and E cores or are they all the same ?
 
I haven't kept up with the rumours.
Arrow Lake has no hyperthreading on the P cores, is that right? So is it still P cores and E cores or are they all the same ?
HT has been dropped and supposedly the chips are using 100w less power which should put them at a similar efficiency to Zen 5 while performing slightly better, will be interesting how how things pan out especially the gaming performance given how Zen5 hasn't really kicked on. reviews are around 6 weeks away so I'm going to wait for those before making my upgrade decision.
 
The Ryzen 7 9800X3D and B850 are apparently being launched next year.

Intel must be doing victory dances now,as AMD has conveniently let them off the hook.

HT has been dropped and supposedly the chips are using 100w less power which should put them at a similar efficiency to Zen 5 while performing slightly better, will be interesting how how things pan out especially the gaming performance given how Zen5 hasn't really kicked on. reviews are around 6 weeks away so I'm going to wait for those before making my upgrade decision.

Intel is going to probably be ahead now in gaming. I would have waited too,but it will take time for the mini-ITX motherboards,etc to also be launched for the new Intel socket.

Been on the same motherboard for six years now,and already pushed back my upgrade to wait for Zen5. Wish I had upgraded a few months ago now! :rolleyes:
 
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HT has been dropped and supposedly the chips are using 100w less power which should put them at a similar efficiency to Zen 5 while performing slightly better, will be interesting how how things pan out especially the gaming performance given how Zen5 hasn't really kicked on. reviews are around 6 weeks away so I'm going to wait for those before making my upgrade decision.

well it would have been nice for x3d to release around intel release so that could decide which way to go
 
HT has been dropped and supposedly the chips are using 100w less power which should put them at a similar efficiency to Zen 5 while performing slightly better, will be interesting how how things pan out especially the gaming performance given how Zen5 hasn't really kicked on. reviews are around 6 weeks away so I'm going to wait for those before making my upgrade decision.

I think Intel would be shouting from the mountain tops if that was the case. So unlikely in the extreme that is the case.
 

Guess i'll be purchasing a 7800x3d for the mean time
 
To quote Hardware Unboxed, who's been talking to shops: "Zen5 sales numbers have been an absolute disaster"

Good thing X3D is on the way, launching in January apparently
 
I think Intel would be shouting from the mountain tops if that was the case. So unlikely in the extreme that is the case.
Maybe they will come the announcement but for now they are probably sitting back and letting AMD dig their own hole with Zen 5.

Regardless of what any of these companies say I'll be waiting for 3rd party reviews before making my mind up.
 
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