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AMD Zen 5 rumours

Ok, averages does show an improvement, however it compares cheap DDR4 VS higher end DDR5...
If I use a 64GB 5600 kit (with a more reasonable price) it's over 100€ more than a 3200 kit and that's not including motherboard price difference.

Interesting thing, the OC3D link I sent before gives opposite results for some games that are in common.

I did notice his FC6 result was that DDR4 was significantly faster than DDR5. Yes i at least got that the right way round..... :D

I guess its down to which you chose to believe.
 
Ok, averages does show an improvement, however it compares cheap DDR4 VS higher end DDR5...
If I use a 64GB 5600 kit (with a more reasonable price) it's over 100€ more than a 3200 kit and that's not including motherboard price difference.

Interesting thing, the OC3D link I sent before gives opposite results for some games that are in common.
Can get a CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 5600MHz CL40 for ~£154
 
The guy as already made his mind up. I do even know why’s he’s asking
I haven't made my mind up, which is why I'm asking.
I'm oscillating between 13700k and 7800X3D mostly, with some temptation about going 5950X or 5800X3D.

I will likely wait until the 14700k is released and see if it's worth it or brings bargains on the older gens, I'm still baffled about the amount of money required for a decent system today...
 
I haven't made my mind up, which is why I'm asking.
I'm oscillating between 13700k and 7800X3D mostly, with some temptation about going 5950X or 5800X3D.

I will likely wait until the 14700k is released and see if it's worth it or brings bargains on the older gens, I'm still baffled about the amount of money required for a decent system today...

CPU prices have not changed that much, 6 years ago an 8 cores 16 thread CPU was $500, now you can get a 16 core 32 thread CPU that's 4X as fast for $100 more, or inflation amount.

GPU's on the other hand, especially if you're married to Nvidia......
 
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I haven't made my mind up, which is why I'm asking.
I'm oscillating between 13700k and 7800X3D mostly, with some temptation about going 5950X or 5800X3D.

I will likely wait until the 14700k is released and see if it's worth it or brings bargains on the older gens, I'm still baffled about the amount of money required for a decent system today...
Right now, GPU's excepted, the prices have dropped quite a bit. I would, and have, go AM5 just for the future upgrade ability. I can see RAM and storage going up again, they've cut back production apparently. If gaming only the X3D chips are great. All depends on what is most important.
 
CPU prices have not changed that much, 6 years ago an 8 cores 16 thread CPU was $500, now you can get a 16 core 32 thread CPU that's 4X as fast for $100 more, or inflation amount.

GPU's on the other hand, especially if you're married to Nvidia......
On GPUs you could say I'm married to AMD ironically. But that's mostly because they tend to have the best deals in my budget whenever I look...
On the CPU side I always had Intel but AMD X3D is seriously tempting, especially with the Intel bending issues.
 
On GPUs you could say I'm married to AMD ironically. But that's mostly because they tend to have the best deals in my budget whenever I look...
On the CPU side I always had Intel but AMD X3D is seriously tempting, especially with the Intel bending issues.

You can get a bracket for that bending issue....

I've had a lot of Intel and AMD in my 30 years of computering, worst CPU's in no particular order.... FX-9590 and Skt 478 Pentium 4 HT.

Last 5 years i have been AMD, Ryzen 1600, 3600 and now the 5800X, the latter i would put right up there with my favourites, those being the i7 930 and the Athlon XP 3800+, i might even call it the best one yet.

Don't be afraid of AMD CPU's, i get it but honestly they are pretty damned good.
 
You can get a bracket for that bending issue....

I've had a lot of Intel and AMD in my 30 years of computering, worst CPU's in no particular order.... FX-9590 and Skt 478 Pentium 4 HT.

Last 5 years i have been AMD, Ryzen 1600, 3600 and now the 5800X, the latter i would put right up there with my favourites, those being the i7 930 and the Athlon XP 3800+, i might even call it the best one yet.

Don't be afraid of AMD CPU's, i get it but honestly they are pretty damned good.
There are also advantages to be had with an all AMD system.
 
The only AMD CPU I would consider is the 7950X, the others seem like bad value compared to Intel. The 3D chips are interesting if it’s just for games, but the markup seems harsh.
 
You can get a bracket for that bending issue....

I've had a lot of Intel and AMD in my 30 years of computering, worst CPU's in no particular order.... FX-9590 and Skt 478 Pentium 4 HT.

Last 5 years i have been AMD, Ryzen 1600, 3600 and now the 5800X, the latter i would put right up there with my favourites, those being the i7 930 and the Athlon XP 3800+, i might even call it the best one yet.

Don't be afraid of AMD CPU's, i get it but honestly they are pretty damned good.
I'm not afraid, it's just habit and having to calculate trade-offs in a different way.
If I had to buy today with a trusted assembler I would have about 100€ difference between 13700k DDR4-3200 and 7800 X3D DDR5-5200.
 
The only AMD CPU I would consider is the 7950X, the others seem like bad value compared to Intel. The 3D chips are interesting if it’s just for games, but the markup seems harsh.
The latest Intel CPU's are really good value for money if you need or can take advantage of the E cores especially when coupled with a cheaper motherboard platform and DDR4. The only question is how much worth/value do you place on having a platform that doesn't really much of future?
 
The latest Intel CPU's are really good value for money if you need or can take advantage of the E cores especially when coupled with a cheaper motherboard platform and DDR4. The only question is how much worth/value do you place on having a platform that doesn't really much of future?
Most don’t upgrade the CPU, so platform lifespan only matters to a small %. It was the deciding factor for me though.
 
Zen 5 and 6 slides leaked.
amd_zen5_zen6_architectures.webp
 
Zen 5 and 6 slides leaked.
amd_zen5_zen6_architectures.webp

Assuming +12% IPC and 0 clock increases the Ryzen 8950X should score about 43,300 in R23.

 
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Disappointing if true, Zen3 was a 19% IPC uplift on the same process node but now there struggling to break 10% using a new faster process meaning the actual gains from a better design are likely in the single figgers.
 
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Disappointing if true, Zen3 was a 19% IPC uplift on the same process node but now there struggling to break 10% using a new faster process meaning the actual gains from a better design are likely in the single figgers.
They're likely optimizing for core size in order to put more cores in a single CCD, this limits the potential IPC improvement.
Intel's approach has bigger cores and works but at the price of higher power consumption.

Designing CPUs is hard and all the low-hanging fruits have been taken, I suspect the next trick will be both players implementing some form of L4 cache likely using HBM but that means more expensive chips.
 
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