Probably the smarter thing to do when things aren't moving forward massively.
I think I will be looking to move on from the 5950x I've got right now, but to what, I guess I'll see what the releases and costs of each look like.
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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I think I will be looking to move on from the 5950x I've got right now, but to what, I guess I'll see what the releases and costs of each look like.
In the days of everything being pre overclocking from the factory, that would be something we've not seen for a while.
Alternatively it may be that the stock clocks are simply the max sane clocks. By which I mean, if increasing the TDP to 200W only increases performance by 1% then it makes little sense to clock higher.
Power craziness may not be over yet though.. Imagine Intel find that Arrow Lake is tied with Zen5 but are willng to crank up power so they they win by 1% to 2% even if that is at the cost of double the power? I hope we don't see more of that nonsense
my current main (AM5) was bought used about a year ago, i spent £140 on a 7600, £80 on 32gb gskill ddr6000cl32, £140 on a msi b650m mortar...so £360 all in
deals are to be had if you don't mind spending the time/are lucky
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Yeah that caught my eye too.
Caporegime
Or it could be a limitation of the TSMC 4NM process they are using?
Zen5 has the lowest Gen on Gen performance increase of any Ryzen so far
Is AMD holding back or are we past the peak and riding into the sunset with Zen, is the architecture approaching a tank with little left to give?
One other interesting bit I noticed; desktop Zen5 has no NPU. The laptop Zen5 APUs do have the NPU, but desktop doesn't, where as Intel is including an NPU in its desktop Arrow Lake CPUs
Is AMD holding back or are we past the peak and riding into the sunset with Zen, is the architecture approaching a tank with little left to give?
One other interesting bit I noticed; desktop Zen5 has no NPU. The laptop Zen5 APUs do have the NPU, but desktop doesn't, where as Intel is including an NPU in its desktop Arrow Lake CPUs
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Caporegime
They doubled Instruction Bandwidth, Data Bandwidth, improved branch prediction accuracy and latency, wider pipelines and vectors.
They gone through the whole thing and improved it for really not much gain, so yes i think this version of Zen (its based on Zen 2) has peaked.
Zen 6 is brand new.
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Soldato
Are you ignoring the massive TDP drop? 15% uplift for 40% less power isn’t something to be sniffed at.
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Caporegime
For the amount of work they did to it i think they were expecting more, the architecture is just as efficient as its ever going to get, its out of steam.
It holds firm and beats Intel's newer architecture, which is now in its second iteration and is much more massive.
Its been an incredibly good architecture, but its done.
It holds firm and beats Intel's newer architecture, which is now in its second iteration and is much more massive.
Its been an incredibly good architecture, but its done.
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The NPU is not really necessary if you have a dGPU so I guess they left it out to keep cost down. The Intel NPU is really weak compared to any Nvidia 40 series GPU.
Caporegime
^^^ Right.
People who buy these Desktop CPU's they will be adding their own NPU's in the form of Intel ARC, AMD RDNA 3 and Nvidia RTX 30 or 40 series GPU's.
People who buy these Desktop CPU's they will be adding their own NPU's in the form of Intel ARC, AMD RDNA 3 and Nvidia RTX 30 or 40 series GPU's.
Caporegime
Real info...
AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors
AMD today announced its much awaited Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors. Built in the Socket AM5 package, and drop-in compatible with all current AM5 motherboards with a BIOS update, the processors are based on the new "Zen 5" CPU microarchitecture. The operational part of the processor, the...
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AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors
AMD today announced its much awaited Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors. Built in the Socket AM5 package, and drop-in compatible with all current AM5 motherboards with a BIOS update, the processors are based on the new "Zen 5" CPU microarchitecture. The operational part of the processor, the...www.techpowerup.com
Thanks. Will Zen 6 work on AM5 or is that just wishful thinking?
Should do, AMD have extended AM5 support to 2027
. They are even releasing two new AM4 CPUs as well.
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Caporegime
AM5 still I believe.
Maybe the 3D version will be able to feed all that stuff better? And we'll see bigger gains there?