AMD Zen 5 rumours

G J · 30 Jun 2024 at 10:31

Robert896r1 said:
AMD Ryzen 9000 preorders start in Europe: 9950X at €660, 9600X at €310 - VideoCardz.com

First Ryzen 9000 CPUs go on sale: €310 to €660 with availability in September A Slovenian retailer has put four of AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 9000 CPUs up for preorder. Yes, this is the very first preorder for Zen5 desktop, but be aware that shipments will start no sooner than August 2nd. However...

videocardz.com

Might as well not release the 9700x at this point. Then again it’s AMD pricing so expect cuts within a month lol

It's also the 9600X as AMD sold a 6 core 7600X at 360 euros which I'm sure the was close to the 8700K launch price from 2017 and a 9600X at 310... but as you said wait for the price cuts.

Forgot to add: Picking up a 7800X3D from people upgrading if the pricing goes down may be the best.

nomadd · 30 Jun 2024 at 11:33

Robert896r1 said:
Then again it’s AMD pricing so expect cuts within a month lol

And another six months for X3D. And another six months for X3D price cuts.

And another six months for the new boards & bioses to become stable.

Journey · 30 Jun 2024 at 11:49

Robert896r1 said:
Might as well not release the 9700x at this point. Then again it’s AMD pricing so expect cuts within a month lol

Those price are wrong, by quite a margin, details are embargoed until 31st July but I know the pricing is more like £219 (inc. VAT) for the 9600X (exchange rate dependant) for the UK market. There is also official MSRP cuts coming for the 7xxx parts, 7600 should be ~£139, X3D parts are getting a smaller reduction.

Capitano · 30 Jun 2024 at 20:45

with ARM now in the picture and the performance we're seeing from there the next few generations are going to be crucial for AMD.
I think a core count increase is going to be needed across the board. Rumours for big/little architecture should help in this regard

jigger · 1 Jul 2024 at 18:11

Capitano said:
with ARM now in the picture and the performance we're seeing from there the next few generations are going to be crucial for AMD.
I think a core count increase is going to be needed across the board. Rumours for big/little architecture should help in this regard

Is arm on desktop/workstation even a thing. I did see hear some talk of a 12 core 12 lane part, but arm Is going to have really hard in these markets.

FredFlint · 1 Jul 2024 at 19:29

jigger said:
Is arm on desktop/workstation even a thing. I did see hear some talk of a 12 core 12 lane part, but arm Is going to have really hard in these markets.

Just a matter of time, hopefully it pushes Intel/AMD so we get better kit, cheaper.

Capitano · 1 Jul 2024 at 20:54

jigger said:
Is arm on desktop/workstation even a thing. I did see hear some talk of a 12 core 12 lane part, but arm Is going to have really hard in these markets.

well on desktop the main benefits or ARM (efficiency) are sort of pointless, at least in terms of battery life as it doesnt apply here.

Im mostly talking about laptop sku's here but im sure they can cook something up for the desktop space too

jigger · 1 Jul 2024 at 21:43

FredFlint said:
Just a matter of time, hopefully it pushes Intel/AMD so we get better kit, cheaper.

Well, seeing Intel have been getting destroyed by AMD for last 7 or 8 years I don’t think an arm chip has much chance of shaking things up.

FredFlint · 1 Jul 2024 at 21:52

jigger said:
Well, seeing Intel have been getting destroyed by AMD for last 7 or 8 years I don’t think an arm chip has much chance of shaking things up.

AMD is why we are not stuck using quad cores. Now AMD is also fat and greedy, so we need more competition. Intel will not licence x86 so it must be ARM or RISC-V.

jigger · 1 Jul 2024 at 21:56

FredFlint said:
AMD is why we are not stuck using quad cores. Now AMD is also fat and greedy, so we need more competition. Intel will not licence x86 so it must be ARM or RISC-V.

I don’t think AMD are slowing anytime soon TBH. Intel still have a massive lead.

Rob_B · 1 Jul 2024 at 22:03

Journey said:
Those price are wrong, by quite a margin, details are embargoed until 31st July but I know the pricing is more like £219 (inc. VAT) for the 9600X (exchange rate dependant) for the UK market. There is also official MSRP cuts coming for the 7xxx parts, 7600 should be ~£139, X3D parts are getting a smaller reduction.

Might go with a 7600 and platform upgrade at that price and ensure the mobo is reasonably futurecproof

RBImGuy · 2 Jul 2024 at 12:04

New control feature for curve optmizer for amd zen5
Can control low, mid and high range frequency and suit your workloads
finetune your experience with amd

alec · 2 Jul 2024 at 13:12

RBImGuy said:
Can control low, mid and high range frequency

5 frequency points times 3 temperature levels times two settings (sign and value) times 16 cores... 540 fields?
theres no way this could be manages from bios. Need utilities for setting and then for testing

RBImGuy · 2 Jul 2024 at 13:42

alec said:
5 frequency points times 3 temperature levels times two settings (sign and value) times 16 cores... 540 fields?
theres no way this could be manages from bios. Need utilities for setting and then for testing

Likely be implemented into ryzen master, amds own software

KillBoY_UK · 3 Jul 2024 at 13:19

Journey said:
Those price are wrong, by quite a margin, details are embargoed until 31st July but I know the pricing is more like £219 (inc. VAT) for the 9600X (exchange rate dependant) for the UK market. There is also official MSRP cuts coming for the 7xxx parts, 7600 should be ~£139, X3D parts are getting a smaller reduction.

TBH Ill be surprised if the 9600x is only £219 since the 7600x started out at £330

I will prob hold on to my 5800x3d till the the x3d parts come out, depending on if i get RTX 5xxx or not

FredFlint · 3 Jul 2024 at 14:07

KillBoY_UK said:
TBH Ill be surprised if the 9600x is only £219 since the 7600x started out at £330

I will prob hold on to my 5800x3d till the the x3d parts come out, depending on if i get RTX 5xxx or not

£330 for a six core was messed up, hopefully it did not sell well so the next will be a LOT cheaper.

Rob_B · 3 Jul 2024 at 14:14

We can hope, but the best bet is still probably to wait a couple of months for the inevitable price drop

KillBoY_UK · 3 Jul 2024 at 14:42

FredFlint said:
£330 for a six core was messed up, hopefully it did not sell well so the next will be a LOT cheaper.

I agree with you there but AMD's position in consumer CPU's has only gotten stronger, when companies are in a strong/stronger position they rarely keep there prices low let alone lower them

Journey · 3 Jul 2024 at 23:29

KillBoY_UK said:
TBH Ill be surprised if the 9600x is only £219 since the 7600x started out at £330

I will prob hold on to my 5800x3d till the the x3d parts come out, depending on if i get RTX 5xxx or not

It was $299, and it was coming off the back of a glut of AM4 stock laying around, also the GBP:USD was at $1.07, and it's at $1.275 today.

They can't price it anywhere near the 7800X3D which is ~£315, and the aren't going to go below £170 of the current 7600. So they are still competing with the 14600K(F) which is £270, and themselves, so £249 would be the very upper limit, but £219-229 is looking more likely, but I'll be able to confirm that closer to the lifting of the embargo.

ED209 · 4 Jul 2024 at 06:54

I read that the new motherboards are coming out after the new processors.

If your buying new cpu\mobo\ram upgrade how are you meant to update the bios on the current boards to work with the new processors without having an 5x00\7x00 processor

Edit - unless motherboards are currently shipping with a bios to support these chips