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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Caporegime
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As long as there's no caveats revealed come actual reviews, there's every chance I'll be buying a 1700.
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Which has what to do with what exactly? That 5.14Ghz btw, included a record Cinebench run, that was all cores fully loaded and beating a 6950k also under LN2. The fastest a 6900k has been is 5.2Ghz, yet you can do what, 4.3-4.4Ghz on air with fine voltage. Those 7Ghz plus runs are usually a single core with every other core disabled kind of situation, with running maybe superpi before crashing. A very very different prospect from 8 (or 10 on the 6950) fully loaded for often much longer than superpi runs for.
1.85V for 5.14Ghz doesn't mean anything , it doesn't mean you need 1.7V for 4.8Ghz and 1.55v for 4.5Ghz. You might only need 1.4v for 4.8Ghz on ln2, it doesn't scale linearly, at the end of the clock speed ramp you are talking about 0.1v increases for 50Mhz gains, maybe less.
This is also being done in a convention hall, live.
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be a few people having there dinner in front of the pc today I reckon, a few crumbs in keyboards.
What's tea time? We have dinner down here!
problem is Gibbo gets a 3 hour tea break so we might have to wait
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Anyone expecting these to overclock like current Intel chips is going to be extremely disappointed i reckon, i wouldnt be suprised if these achieve a maxium of 300-400hz TOPS on Water
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Hopefully the RAM section will be given a shake up. OCUK seem to be a bit pricey at the moment compared to competitors for the 3200MHz+ stuff, which lets be fair is the stuff most of us are going to go for building beasty machines, if memory speed/timings do make a difference 
Yields / Binning will improve as time goes on though - for a first generation product it seems impressive.
I'm curious to see how the lower tier Ryzens with less cores clock more so than the 8c/16t.
I was never expecting an 8c/16t cpu to clock the same as intels 4c/8t CPU.
The real interesting battle for me is like for like between Ryzen 6c/1t and 4c/8t vs Intels 6c and 4c parts
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Given the entry buying point, I really can't see even poor overclocking being much of a negative
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Oh i most definitely agree, this is a massive home run for AMD, out of the box performance is exceptional, only issue is people have it drummed into their minds that higher ghz is always better, and to some extent that is true, once more cores are utilised these chips will be insanely good.
And as they are revised they will improve clocks on them as well, this is just the start, its a massive disruption in the marketplace and i except them to really propel AMD and the CPU Market forwards, i just think people need to realise these are NOT Kabylake chips that will do 5ghz on air, i dont think the 1800X will do 4.5 on air, probably 4.2 / 4.3 Max on a high end AIO or Air possibly just even water but thats fine.
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I'd love for an excuse to switch to an 1800X, but my 5930k is doing just fine
mITX Ryzen later in the year though 
mITX Ryzen later in the year though
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If I were AMD I'd get Keller on a retainer
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/hydro-series-h110i-280mm-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler
Corsair have officially published AM4 as a compatible socket for the H110i (bottom of the page in the specs).
I just bought one for myself today for that very reason. (Will soon be starting a thread about my new build ready for the almighty Ryzen.)
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Pffft more than a retainer. The guy is obviously a genius, that said, the amount of work that must have gone in by ALL of AMD's engineers to get improvements of this magnitude, given the difference in R&D depts, spending etc...
I think the reviewers already have their chips and theres an NDA that will lift at 6pm today. Expect loads of reviews at the same time as the launch.
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Just seen UK Prices on AM4 Motherboards on another site, interesting, the X370 prices are higher than what i expected though.
D15 AM4 version has been out for a few weeks now, as has the U12S.