*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[MDPlatts]

I'm not sure they will have a Vega chip. I think more likely polaris likely similar spec to a rx460 which would still be a really good APU. Though I'm happy to be proven wrong on this score

It will be vega - but don't forget Vega is a family - vega 11 is the cut-down stuff and Vega 10 is the top end stuff - it will be on the chip but perhaps on an interposer as a separate die but who knows at this stage. It probably won't be 8c/16t cpu's so they will get some of the die area back by halving the cores.

It would expect them in late Q3 or early Q4 time frames at the earliest.

They will later put the larger vega chips onto the naples die for server acceleration but that is for 12+ months in the future.

 

[Zeed]

Well gave OCUK a ring and.... Wont happen till next week there is around 100 people with preorder on Crosshair motherboard atm. They said next bartch should cover all preorders tho

 

[HeX]

1700 @ 3.9GHz on MSI B350 Tomahawk + 3200MHz DDR4

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xcn4w/ryzen_7_1700_39ghz_on_a_msi_b350_tomahawk/

 

[Panos]

Blimey, the 1800X is smashing Cinebench records on LN2 compared to 5960X, and the 6900K just can't clock up high enough to compete.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebenc...cores=8#start=0#interval=20#hardwareScope=all

I wonder how better will be when the Windows patch goes live resolving many of the issues, in addition to the new bios and especially the release of the Asrock Taichi.
Which seems it has better power distribution than the Asus CH6 Hero and its VRM delivery doubler. -_-

 

[MDPlatts]

I wonder how better will be when the Windows patch goes live resolving many of the issues, in addition to the new bios and especially the release of the Asrock Taichi.
Which seems it has better power distribution than the Asus CH6 Hero and its VRM delivery doubler. -_-

Doubt it - the blender benchmark I posted 20+ posts back uses all 16 cores - so I would expect cinebench to do the same. Better SMT scheduling will only work in lower workloads where there are "spare" resources. I'm not sure what the layout/ordering of the physical/logical cores is in task manager but under normal circumstances the first 8 are used and the last 8 hardly touched so I suspect the first 8 are the real cores and the last 8 the SMT cores. In intel boxes they alternate physical/logical/physical/logical etc.

Just downloaded cinebench and tried it and it uses all 16 cores 100% - I got a score of 1466 (this is a stock-speed 1800x - so 3.6 + 100 for XFR).

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I wonder how better will be when the Windows patch goes live resolving many of the issues, in addition to the new bios and especially the release of the Asrock Taichi.
Which seems it has better power distribution than the Asus CH6 Hero and its VRM delivery doubler. -_-

I'm very disappointed in Asus's motherboards this time round. Their price cannot be justified considering all these issues they're having.

Gigabyte seems like such a better buy from an early adopter perspective.

 

[Scramz]

So here is my Cinebench results:

R7 1700
MSI B350 Tomahank
16GB Crucial 2400Mhz DDR4
Notcua NH-U12S
EDIT: BIOS V1.0
Power = Performance mode but sure no different with balance.
Fresh windows 10 Installation

3.6 @ 1.104v

Spoiler: 3.6 @ 1.104v

3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

Spoiler: 3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

Spoiler: 3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

Spoiler: 3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

4Ghz nees over 1.4v and the heat output rockets at 1.4v so on air I am not pushing that. Topped at 71c but I am not sure what these CPU's can take and wouldn't want to brick it.

Just to add, 3.65Ghz @ Stock volts Real Bench H254 5 runs with ease.

Spoiler: 3.65Ghz @ Stock

What should I bench now?

 

[Panos]

1700 @ 3.9GHz on MSI B350 Tomahawk + 3200MHz DDR4

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xcn4w/ryzen_7_1700_39ghz_on_a_msi_b350_tomahawk/

LOL, with the stock Wraith cooler doing 3.9Ghz at 1.35v on a Tomahawk B350!!!! That is the bargain of the century.....
And there is still the other one doing 4Ghz with the 1700 and the Wraith!!!!

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Ok this just got very interesting https://www.facebook.com/theoverclo...46028454.301569.72682703453/10155035829263454

Edited to add Reddit Thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xdxvy/the_overclocker_magazine_that_moment_when_your/

Seems as though the reviewers have failed at what they are meant to do all because they are trying to be first.... Very poor testing from them.

 

[Panos]

So here is my Cinebench results:

R7 1700
MSI Tomahank
16GB Crucial 2400Mhz DDR4
Notcua NH-U12S
Power = Performance mode but sure no different with balance.
Fresh windows 10 Installation

3.6 @ 1.104v

Spoiler: 3.6 @ 1.104v

3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

Spoiler: 3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

Spoiler: 3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

Spoiler: 3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

4Ghz nees over 1.4v and he heat output rockets at 1.4v so on air I am not pushing that.

Just to add, 3.65Ghz @ Stock volts (Peaks at 1.168v) Real Bench H254 5 runs with ease.

Spoiler: 3.65Ghz @ Stock

Holly cow. Mate that's absolutely amazing! Also AMD advices to stay bellow the 1.37v for 24/5 on Ryzen CPUs not to suffer long term degradation.
By the way, have you tried the stock cooler which blows the air downwards cooling the VRMs?

 

[Mtom]

So here is my Cinebench results:

R7 1700
MSI Tomahank
16GB Crucial 2400Mhz DDR4
Notcua NH-U12S
Power = Performance mode but sure no different with balance.
Fresh windows 10 Installation

3.6 @ 1.104v

Spoiler: 3.6 @ 1.104v

3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

Spoiler: 3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

Spoiler: 3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

Spoiler: 3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

4Ghz nees over 1.4v and he heat output rockets at 1.4v so on air I am not pushing that. Topped at 71c but I am not sure what these CPU's can take and wouldn't want to brick it.

Just to add, 3.65Ghz @ Stock volts Real Bench H254 5 runs with ease.

Spoiler: 3.65Ghz @ Stock

What should I bench now?

Some games
GTA5, Far Cry etc if you have those.
I'm interested to see user benchmarks vs the reviews. Check for bios upgrades regularly

 

[Scramz]

Holly cow. Mate that's absolutely amazing! Also AMD advices to stay bellow the 1.37v for 24/5 on Ryzen CPUs not to suffer long term degradation.
By the way, have you tried the stock cooler which blows the air downwards cooling the VRMs?

Some games
GTA5, Far Cry etc if you have those.
I'm interested to see user benchmarks vs the reviews. Check for bios upgrades regularly

I have not used the stock cooler. I would prob add 5-10c on this cooler for them. Temps are really good, 50s and 60s.

Does that involve playing the game in canned benchmarks? I don't have time to play sorry.

 

[MDPlatts]

I'm very disappointed in Asus's motherboards this time round. Their price cannot be justified considering all these issues they're having.

Gigabyte seems like such a better buy from an early adopter perspective.

I'm amazed at the Asus Prime B350M-A (mATX) board - it really does feel cheap (you don't even get the Asus Qconnect for the FP connections) and at £80 it is but it is doing things its allegedly not meant to do like work with all 4 DIMM slots populated, supports XMS and I'm running at my RAM's stock 2666MHz with one BIOS setting change. There have been 3 BIOS releases and I suspect there will be more very soon. It also seems to be one of the boards in relatively high supply levels.

That said I will upgrade to an X370 mATX board as/when there are some around but not for a couple of months.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

So guys would you say its looking better than what the reviewers could produce?

 

[Panos]

Seems as though the reviewers have failed at what they are meant to do all because they are trying to be first.... Very poor testing from them.

I agree on that. Especially those using the Asus CH6 Hero show completely different perf compared to Gigabyte motherboards, and the difference is big.
(pointing at Joker's video at 1080p with the GTX1080 also).

Also we do not know how many of them had patched with the CH6 Hero with last weekends BIOS, which resolved many issues.

And we have just B350 Tomahawk, for less than half the money the CH6 Hero not only overclocking better, not only supporting better ram timings and speeds, but requiring less power to overclock the CPUs!!!! Even with the stock Wraith cooler, or just simply the Notcua NH-U12S

 

[Silent_Scone]

I'm amazed at the Asus Prime B350M-A (mATX) board - it really does feel cheap (you don't even get the Asus Qconnect for the FP connections) and at £80 it is but it is doing things its allegedly not meant to do like work with all 4 DIMM slots populated, supports XMS and I'm running at my RAM's stock 2666MHz with one BIOS setting change. There have been 3 BIOS releases and I suspect there will be more very soon. It also seems to be one of the boards in relatively high supply levels.

That said I will upgrade to an X370 mATX board as/when there are some around but not for a couple of months.

Run Google Stress App test through BASH terminal in Windows 10 for an hour, this will tell you if the memory is stable. I think given the circumstances it's worth doing. Only need run for an hour.

 

[loxocemus]

given that the 1700 1700x and 1800x are essentially the same chip, if i buy a 1700 and want 1800x performance, how easy is the process in overclocking ryzen settings, im assuming the boards auto overclocking settings wont cut it in this case?

 

[Panos]

given that the 1700 1700x and 1800x are essentially the same chip, if i buy a 1700 and want 1800x performance, how easy is the process in overclocking ryzen settings, im assuming the boards auto overclocking settings wont cut it in this case?

You can do via BIOS, AMDs brand new overclocking software, or the motherboard vendor one. eg MSI supplies a pretty nice piece of software which is very easy to use.
(used the MSI Command centre with my X79 GD45 for years and worked very well).

You will see how it looks on Scramz post above.

 

[harney]

Ok this just got very interesting https://www.facebook.com/theoverclo...46028454.301569.72682703453/10155035829263454

Edited to add Reddit Thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xdxvy/the_overclocker_magazine_that_moment_when_your/

It seems its going to be US the peeps the you's and me's on these forums and many others to shed more light with these ryzens as it seems most of these so called reviewers have really messed things up with there reviews ..But part the blame is AMD for what feels like a rush launch and not having the review kits in time to them....If only AMD would have waited another 15 days before launch things would have been much better not just for reviews but for stock too...

So boys and girls lets get this sorted out and get some solid results going

I am sat here with 3 kits of memory and cpu 1700 in my hand but no motherboard thx to OCuk not doing a Saturday delivery for me when i ordered my motherboard on the 22nd. thx for that OCuk

 

[8 Pack]

So here is my Cinebench results:

R7 1700
MSI B350 Tomahank
16GB Crucial 2400Mhz DDR4
Notcua NH-U12S
EDIT: BIOS V1.0
Power = Performance mode but sure no different with balance.
Fresh windows 10 Installation

3.6 @ 1.104v

Spoiler: 3.6 @ 1.104v

3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

Spoiler: 3.7Ghz @ 1.176v

3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

Spoiler: 3.8Ghz @ 1.224v

3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

Spoiler: 3.9Ghz @ 1.304v

4Ghz nees over 1.4v and the heat output rockets at 1.4v so on air I am not pushing that. Topped at 71c but I am not sure what these CPU's can take and wouldn't want to brick it.

Just to add, 3.65Ghz @ Stock volts Real Bench H254 5 runs with ease.

Spoiler: 3.65Ghz @ Stock

What should I bench now?

71 c totally fine push it further.