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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

DragonQ said:
Well they will...in any game that doesn't use 5+ threads. I think the R3 will be a fantastic budget option, similar to the Pentium G4560, but going forward 6c-8c is where it's at. Of course, with AM4 you at least have an upgrade route: R3/R5 now, R7 in 1-2 years for minimal outlay. Personally I prefer to just go big and have the system last longer but I know some people sell and buy every year.
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Yeah,but TBH,until Ryzen came along even a month ago people thought even a Haswell 4C/8T CPU was perfectly fine in most cases anyway,and TBH you need to consider that most gamers probably don't even have a 4C/8T CPU,probably a 4C/4T CPU of some sort,so 4C/8T would be an upgrade and plenty of devs are not going to suddenly make games which NEED 6C/8C since most of the market won't be having 6C/8C:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/

93% are still on dual cores and quad cores. Nearly half are still on a dual core even now.

Getting that half alone onto 4C or 4C/8T CPUs,would do more to push the market forward towards using more cores.

This is why the Ryzen range having 4C/8T CPUs for well under $200 and probably 4C/4T for under $150 will mean instead of a 2C/4T CPU more and more people spending $100 to $200 will either have 4C/4T and 4C/8T.

Plus wait until the Ryzen APUs come along.
 
I don't trust the Steam survey for CPU core data as I imagine it's skewed by the large number of dual core laptops floating around not being used for 'proper' gaming. If you could extract only the machines with a half-decent discrete GPU I imagine the dual cores would largely go away (apart from some overclocked Pentiums I suppose).
 
joeyjojo said:
I don't trust the Steam survey for CPU core data as I imagine it's skewed by the large number of dual core laptops floating around not being used for 'proper' gaming. If you could extract only the machines with a half-decent discrete GPU I imagine the dual cores would largely go away (apart from some overclocked Pentiums I suppose).
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I agree. A potato could run most of valves games.
 
joeyjojo said:
I don't trust the Steam survey for CPU core data as I imagine it's skewed by the large number of dual core laptops floating around not being used for 'proper' gaming. If you could extract only the machines with a half-decent discrete GPU I imagine the dual cores would largely go away (apart from some overclocked Pentiums I suppose).
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Well as opposed to all the people here who think ALL games will soon need an 8C CPU - are seriously in a bubble.

Do you think if suddenly ALL games need 8C,that dev would survive long?

Look even at BF1 - people here were saying YOU NEED 8T to run it,lo and behold it seems if you have a recentish Core i5 its nowhere as bad as some said it was. Even review sites have shown MP games on a Core i5 still seem fine.

Out of at least 20 people I know who are gamers who actually built there own rigs,I know nobody with a 6C/8C Intel CPU,I know one person with an FX8300 series CPU,most of the people who I know who have AMD CPUs either having an FM2/FM2+ Athlon X4/AMD A10,a few with an FX6300/FX6350,the odd Phenom II X6 and more X4,a few with Haswell Core i7,and even more with Haswell or Skylake Core i5/Core i3.

The fact is you are an enthusiast on a tech forum,so don't ever think you are a typical case for gamers hardware.

Too many elitists here you don't seem to get,that plenty of people who game are not rocking £200+ CPUs - they are unlikely to be going on tech forums talking about hardware,since they don't care.

Its the same with cards too - I know far more people with sub £250 cards than those with £300+ ones by far.

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That also does not include all the people who I know who have upgraded prebuilt desktops of some sort,or actually do have laptops with discrete cards.

Plenty of Pentiums and Core i3s in those IIRC.

Those rigs were ones I know tended to have cards like the GTX750TI,GTX950,etc or derivatives in mobile of the same card.
 
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This is worst thing some don't get at all - the Ryzen APUs will be 4C/8T with half decent integrated graphics will be what AMD will target towards the mass market. That is launching towards the end of the year.

AMD will actually have a low power 4C/8T design they can use in laptops - that is significant. Almost ALL gaming laptops use Intel CPUs,so imagine AMD now having gaming laptops powered by an AMD CPU and a AMD graphics card?? Imagine them now actually having a proper ULV competitor for Ultra books,etc with much better integrated graphics,etc.

Even entry level desktops - people might look down on IGP performance,but that is something else AMD can bring to the market.

Only the latest Intel eDRAM touting parts can beat what AMD has and not consistently and that is with slowish CPUs on the AMD side. Now imagine even better IGPs,with more bandwidth driven by a decentish CPU?

Ryzen does very well at lower voltages and clockspeeds - The Stilt showed Ryzen 8C/16T at 30W producing a ridiculously high CB R15 score. Its a design which is optimised for low power.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
Can I ask what is so wrong with the Prime X370 Pro? It seems pretty decent from what I have checked out.
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Look for the Gigabyte K5 review. You will see the performance of the Prime X370 Pro is not that good as on the K5 which is the same "class".

he Asrock Fatality is much better motherboard if you stick around the "second from the top" X370. Hell is better than the MSI Titanium.
Thats my thought.

Also my strong opinion is not to cheapen out on the motherboard because you going to keep it for 4-5 years. Go big with CH6 Hero or the Taichi and third choice the K7.
 
The build started, slowly

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