Anti War demo's this Saturday

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thought that this as intersting...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58934-2003Mar20.html

The resignation Monday of Rand Beers, the National Security Council's senior director for combating terrorism,
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Beers declined to comment yesterday, but close associates said he had considered leaving the high-pressure job for some time before submitting his one-paragraph resignation letter on Monday. Although some speculated that his resignation was a protest against the White House's increased concentration on Iraq at the expense of the overall counterterrorism effort, others cited general weariness with fighting internal battles.

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News of Beers's departure was followed yesterday by the third resignation of a U.S. diplomat over Iraq policy since last month. Mary A. Wright, the number two official at the U.S. Embassy in Mongolia, had spent 15 years in the foreign service and 26 years in the Army and Army Reserves.

"I strongly believe that going to war now will make the world more dangerous, not safer," Wright said in a letter to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. "In our press for military action now, we have created deep chasms in the international community and in important international organizations. Our policies have alienated many of our allies and created ill will in much of the world."

Wright, the highest-ranking diplomat to resign over the current situation, also criticized what she called a "lack of policy on North Korea" and said she disagrees with the administration's "lack of effort" in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. She said the United States has "done little" to end the violence. She called on the administration to "exert our considerable financial influence" on the Israelis and Palestinians alike.
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John Brady Kiesling, a political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Athens resigned in February, telling Powell in a letter that he no longer believed he was upholding the interests of the American people and the world by supporting President Bush's policies.

"The policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with American values but also with American interests," Kiesling said. "Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security."

John H. Brown resigned last week from the foreign service after serving for 22 years. He said: "The president's disregard for views in other nations, borne out by his neglect of public diplomacy, is giving birth to an anti-American century."
 
Originally posted by [ASSE]Arnie01
Oh god, look, sadam kills innocent people on purpose, we do NOT target civilians.

We are there to take him out TO HELP THEM.

GET IT IN UR FRIGGIN HEAD!

I love your 'we'.

'We' have targetted civilians through sanctions. UN humanitarian inspectors have resign repeadly over Iraq. Was it because of Saddam's actions? No, of course not, it was because they highlighted that the greatest damage being done to the country was by the west, and nothing changed.

All I can possibly hope is that this is all over VERY quickly, and that less damage / killing is done than I expect. I also hope that the West has the guts to rebuild Iraq without charge and allow them their own choice of leadership.

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Originally posted by MAD_BANDIT
"I strongly believe that going to war now will make the world more dangerous, not safer," Wright said in a letter to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. "In our press for military action now, we have created deep chasms in the international community and in important international organizations. Our policies have alienated many of our allies and created ill will in much of the world."

Wright, the highest-ranking diplomat to resign over the current situation, also criticized what she called a "lack of policy on North Korea" and said she disagrees with the administration's "lack of effort" in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. She said the United States has "done little" to end the violence. She called on the administration to "exert our considerable financial influence" on the Israelis and Palestinians alike.
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John Brady Kiesling, a political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Athens resigned in February, telling Powell in a letter that he no longer believed he was upholding the interests of the American people and the world by supporting President Bush's policies.

"The policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with American values but also with American interests," Kiesling said. "Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security."

John H. Brown resigned last week from the foreign service after serving for 22 years. He said: "The president's disregard for views in other nations, borne out by his neglect of public diplomacy, is giving birth to an anti-American century."

Yes there are good Americans who are both patriotic and opposed to this war. Sadly the ones that speak sense are not those running the asylum at the moment.
 
Buckeye, you shot urself in the foot imo.

You are against war, even though its the only way to end these sanctions.

Cant have both mate. Lets not kis ourselves by saying that if we lifted sanctions Saddam would decide to generous to the Iraqi's.

he'd build more palaces, buy more arms, and he would carry on pulling peoples tongues out.
 
I too hope that it is over quickly and sadam is taken out. Thats the last I have to say on the subject.

I don't have a problem with people having differing views to me, everyone must, its the way the world works.

What I do not like is that way that the minority goes about making their views heard. Protesting left right and centre and generally being a right old pain in the ass. Sadam does need to be taken out, for the good of the world people like this need eliminating, thats just my opinion, and it also happens to be correct.

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War is the only way to end sanctions :D

Superb, let me just go see who has sanxtions imposed now, who had them recently, and who's had them ended without a war. :D

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Originally posted by [ASSE]Arnie01
I too hope that it is over quickly and sadam is taken out. Thats the last I have to say on the subject.

I don't have a problem with people having differing views to me, everyone must, its the way the world works.

What I do not like is that way that the minority goes about making their views heard. Protesting left right and centre and generally being a right old pain in the ass. Sadam does need to be taken out, for the good of the world people like this need eliminating, thats just my opinion, and it also happens to be correct.

Arnie

LOL

You like people to have a diversity of opinions, but you don't want to hear any but your own. Nice.

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Originally posted by [ASSE]Arnie01
I don't have a problem with people having differing views to me, everyone must, its the way the world works.

What I do not like is that way that the minority goes about making their views heard.
Arnie

I could have left the rest in too really, but that's the gist huh.

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Originally posted by BuckEye
I could have left the rest in too really, but that's the gist huh.

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Lol, r u gettin desperate now. Posting partial quotes to make it look bad.

Add
"Protesting left right and centre and generally being a right old pain in the ass. Sadam does need to be taken out, for the good of the world people like this need eliminating, thats just my opinion, and it also happens to be correct.
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What I do not like is the way that the minority goes about making their views heard.


What I do not like is the minority goes about making their views heard.


Originally posted by BuckEye
I could have left the rest in too really, but that's the gist huh.

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Buckeye - do you see the major differences in those 2 sentances? He is saying he disagrees with THE WAY the protesters are making themselves heard, not that they ARE making themselves heard - there is a big difference

(am I interpreating that right Arnie?)

Heck - I am anti-war and supportive of our troops and even I could figure that out! :p
 
Originally posted by Over Clocker
We like to hear justification of opinions, and alternatives to war.

Not just omg war is bad, dont do it, come protest with me on saturday.

I'm no diplomat, nor is it down to me to sort out the problems of a country. I can, however, see when something very bad is being done under the guise of being good. War is not an answer, it never has been, and never will be. The ONLY war to be fought in my opinion is one of self defence, and my boundary comes when my country is attacked. Then I would fight. The human race should be working to get away from killing each other, taking EVERY opportunity to do that.

As it goes.

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Exactly, I said I don't like the way they go about it, not what they have to say........

On the other hand, my flat mate just told me the righteous crew all sat down in the middle of a busy crossroads in the middle of manchester. FRICKIN WASTER ******** I WANNA JUST GO THERE NOW AND TELL THEM HOW MUCH OF A PAIN IN THE *** THEY ARE.

What the **** is sitting down in a cross roads stopping traffic gonna acheive!!!!

Edit: Can you tell how much i hate them?
 
Originally posted by MindYerBeak
I wonder what would happen if we found WOMD in Iraq? Would the protestors then claim we put them there?

Would these mythical claimers be wrong I wonder?

I suspect it would be impossible to tell either way.

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Send all the anti war protestors over to Iraq, let them live under Sadam's regime for a few years. Then, like the Iraqi asylum seekers, they too will be wishing the military to go in and oust Sadam. Ask the Iraqi solders that appear to have surrendered on the boreder already. If they thought they were fighting a just cause, then I'm pretty sure they would NEVER surrender. However, seeing as they probably know they are fighting for an evil dictator, they think its safer to surrender.

I say we feed the protestors (that are being a general annoyance to the general public) into grinding machines. See how much they want to protest the war then.

Alternatively we can use Lopez's anti-soapdodger minigun :D I'm sure that would scare em off.
 
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