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Car behind was miles behind at turn-in and was never going to make it even level before the apex. 100% their fault. Should have backed off. Early bed with no supper for them.
 
I disagree.
From the Audi's POV, the Aston was wide and there was more than a car's width available at and past the point of turn in. The Aston attempting the cut back without using his radar was the issue here IMO.

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It's still the car that is behind that has the responsibility to make the pass safely, or not cause a collision. They failed to do either.
 
Because they should be aware and anticipate it - as being the car behind, it's their responsibility to make a safe pass. It's generally accepted that a following / overtaking car must have the front of their car up to the driver's door of the car ahead to make a claim to the line. This car didn't even pass any part of the car ahead. The car ahead has a right to his racing line.

Were you the car behind?
 
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I wasn't the driver and I am aware of general racing rules and etiquette. FWIW, I've been a steward in several racing leagues over the years. Head steward in one (woo).

Your point is regarding an overtaking attempt, which this wasn't. The Audi was simply following the racing line, along with the BMW.
In addition to the pic I already posted, note the steering angle at the turn in point and there being way more than a car's width available on the racing line - which the Aston clearly wasn't on.

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You say he should have had the foresight and awareness to know that the Aston was going to cut back into his path, but why shouldn't the Aston driver have had the awareness to notice that there was clearly a car there in the radar in the centre of his screen and simply followed the BMW? If he'd done that, he'd still have had the inside line going into the next corner.
 
Well you asked who (we) thought was to blame and I answered. If I was the car behind I'd be apologising.

Also been sim racing for 30+ yrs. Beta tester and ex pro license holder at iRacing (and ex UK team leader) and managed a couple of track WRs in Netkar / Project cars.
 
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If the Audi had got its nose at least alongside the rear tyre there might be an argument but the Audi at no point ever has any part of the car alongside the Aston... apart from when they make contact and even then it’s not got it’s nose alongside the rear tyres, it literally just clips the back of the car.

It’s just a minor screw up from the Audi with an unfortunate outcome
 
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If the Audi had got its nose at least alongside the rear tyre there might be an argument but the Audi at no point ever has any part of the car alongside the Aston... apart from when they make contact and even then it’s not got it’s nose alongside the rear tyres, it literally just clips the back of the car.

It’s just a minor screw up from the Audi with an unfortunate outcome
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Again, I respectfully disagree :)

Here's why: It wasn't an overtaking attempt or even a minor late braking divebomb. The only reason he got that close is because the two cars ahead were battling.
The Audi brakes at the 100m board, which is the normal point. The racing line is clear, as the Aston has gone wide due to the BMW overtaking on the inside.
Look at the pedal and steering inputs and tell me honestly how it could be seen as an aggressive move or how he should have had the clairvoyance to anticipate what the Aston did. If you could also explain why the Aston has zero responsibility here, I'd be interested to hear that too.

 
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Uncle Petey said:
Again, I respectfully disagree :)

Here's why: It wasn't an overtaking attempt or even a minor late braking divebomb. The only reason he got that close is because the two cars ahead were battling.
The Audi brakes at the 100m board, which is the normal point. The racing line is clear, as the Aston has gone wide due to the BMW overtaking on the inside.
Look at the pedal and steering inputs and tell me honestly how it could be seen as an aggressive move or how he should have had the clairvoyance to anticipate what the Aston did. If you could also explain why the Aston has zero responsibility here, I'd be interested to hear that too.

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I'd simply repeat that while it isn't an obvious divebomb, and whatever the opposing opinions on who is at fault, the car behind has the greater responsibility to avoid unnecessary contact in that scenario. Especially when you consider the car in front had stayed wide to avoid contact with the first car through the initial stage of the corner.

I just find it hard to accept any steward would blame the car in front for the incident. They might say just racing incident though of course.
 
I don't think the Aston should've been penalised or anything.
I'm saying that it wasn't any kind of late braking move and I don't see how the Audi was at fault or how he could've avoided it in the circumstances without the power of precognition. For me, it's an unfortunate racing incident.
 
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the car behind has the greater responsibility to avoid unnecessary contact in that scenario. Especially when you consider the car in front had stayed wide to avoid contact with the first car through the initial stage of the corner.
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Yep.

That's not how it works on any public server though. I am that guy that looks at situations like that, and refuses to drive through the line of the car in front knowing the consequences. You look at that, and it's entirely predicable what's going to happen.

Happens in virtually every race on a public server though. You avoid causing an incident in that sort of situation, expect the cars behind to chance it with some unholy vow of entitlement.
 
Yep, entirely.

Saying chance it might be the wrong word association, dependent on the unknown mindset of the individual. Entitlement is exactly what it is though when you see these situations online, there's a breed out there that fail to comprehend they're in a race with other cars, and not on a hot lap.
 
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