Soldato
Do it mate
BARGAIN - OcUK 24" with DVI (*VA Panel) for £179.99+VAT (This Week Only Deal!!)
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Do it mate
its a piece of cake. you dont need me to do a test, just set your resolution to 1280x720 and watch a film. rinse and repeat with 1920x1080. if we couldnt see the difference, people wouldn't be so caught up in the issues with scaling. when you sit this close to the screen, the difference is pretty obvious.
look at this example: http://tvcalculator.com/index.html?322b2e1da4211eb78b8b63771b50b579
look at the pixel densities of the 4 displays.
display #1 = standard 22" 16:10 lcd native 1680x1050).
display #2 = 24" display with a 1366x768 native resolution (typical of a 720p display)
display #3 = 24" display with a 1920x1080 native (1080p)
display #4 = 24" display with a 1920x1200 native (typical 24" 16:10 display)
now, those pixel densities. ask anybody who's moved from a 22" (display #1) to a 24"(display #4) and they'll all tell you the 24" display is sharper. text is sharper, in game its sharper, and video's are sharper. thats a change of 807pixels/sq.in - not a lot.
now imagine a 720p native screen at 24" (display #2). HALF the pixel density of a 22" windscreen (-4000pixels/sq.in or there abouts) , do you really think its not noticeable?
again, try running your 24" at 1280x720p and watch a few films on it. even upscaling dvd's theres a difference
You cant compare games and text with video. Video is perceived differently by the brain/eyes.
What you can do is goto Microsoft's website and download the same video (demo) in 720p and 1080p. Make sure you run the video, full screen. Dont bother changing the resolution on your monitor, just run each video, full screen. You can ask a person you live with to do the blind test with you. Give it a go.
Most people who play games or view text "believe" that there should be a difference. They then view the videos (knowing which is 720p and which is 1080p) and look for differences. Even if differences are not there, they might invent them, just to make their "belief", real. Of course, on a 24" screen, by putting your eyes 12" from the screen, you might be able to see differences if you concentrate hard on a very small area, but at a more casual/normal viewing distance a blind test should see 720p and 1080p material, almost indistinguishable.
At normal TV viewing distance, I cant see any point in spending extra on 1080p than on 720p, for sets of 46" or smaller. This is one of the reasons why most TV review magazines, 720p screens are beating their 1080p counterparts. The story would be totally different if we were reviewing big screens (60" and bigger).
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That can't be good though can it!
If I get the 24" I'll be keeping my Dell 2007WFP as a TV and secondary screen but I don't know how I'm going to fit a 24" and a 20" on my desk with my amp on there too :S
I actually did ask in that thread as to why people arent rushing out to buy the screen (as they are doing with the 24" model). The answers were not really forthcoming. I think some people are worried about the extra desk space that such a screen would take up.
Nobody came out and said "I bought one and it was bad."
EDIT: somebody has bought one and will be answering questions on it.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10632485#post10632485
Ive heard many times that people wish they had bought a bigger screen. In fact many who have bought the monitor in this thread are upgrading from a smaller 20" screen.
I have hardly ever heard someone say, "I wish I had bought the smaller screen. This is too big!"
Soldato
I think 28'' would be too big.
Ive now got this 24'' and my older 19''
Ive now got this 24'' and my older 19''
That's not strictly true.It maybe the best all round flat screen TV for SD & HD, but it's HD (scaled 1920 x 1080) pictures aren't as good as the Panasonic PZ or Pioneer's full HD Kuro.
Soldato
I'm well happy with this monitor the viewing angles are amazing.
What viewing angles, from every angle, the picture looks just as good
Soldato
video and games are perceived the same. i dont know what your talking about. maybe your getting mixed up with perceived fps and the human eye?
at normal tv viewing distances you arent sitting 20 inches from a screen. im sorry sunama, but you are wrong. remember it was you who said you found the text on the desktop at native/ normal dpi was too small - nobody else has that problem?
you dont need to tell me what to try, i already know what the differences are
we've all seen the chart before: http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/the closer you are, the easier it becomes to distinguish the higher resolutions. or, the other way around, the bigger you make the display, the more you see it. i've already said everything is sharper on the 24" than it is on my 22", but that isnt acceptable for you?
price. its that, and the fact that the image quality would be better on the 24 inch screen
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Well after days if not weeks of mind boggling and forum trekking about the pros and cons of the Samsung 226BW, the 2232BW and the LG L226WTQ, I decided to take the plunge for the OcUK 24"!!!
P.S. I ordered yesterday and my order status says "Printed in warehouse" - it has been like that for several hours - anyone can tell me what that means? Is it close to being shipped?
P.S. I ordered yesterday and my order status says "Printed in warehouse" - it has been like that for several hours - anyone can tell me what that means? Is it close to being shipped?
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Even I can tell the difference between running a game at 1280x1024 and 1024x768. Its such a small increase in resolution, yet its so obvious. This was on a 19" CRT (18.1" viewable). The difference (if any) is not so obvious in video, run full screen.
Try encoding a video (using a high res source), using the codec of your choice. Encode it at 1 resolution, then encode it again, but increase resolution by say 25% (thats all) and I challenge you (on a 24" screen, ran at full screen), to be able to tell the difference successfully, more than 80% of the time, blind folded. You can even increase the bitrate a little. Try it with a friend. In fact, just try it out using 720p and 1080p. You can download demos from microsoft's website.
Games are easily distinguishable. Video, isnt.
Of course, there are many variables - screen size, viewing distance, bitrate, resolution of both the screen and video, codec and settings used - but in general, telling the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 24" screen is tough.
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I think it will be dispatched today, but you could always phone them up to confirm that it will be dispatched today, for delivery tomorrow.
Soldato
you're still trying to tell me what to do lol. ive already told you its obvious to me. its very easy when you sit close to a pc monitor
Mine just arrived!
perfect, no damage, no dead pixels, no nothing except brilliance. And omg, blidning blue light of doom is NOT an understatement, within 5 seconds had taped it!
Better get back to work instead of admiring new shiney kit! :O
perfect, no damage, no dead pixels, no nothing except brilliance. And omg, blidning blue light of doom is NOT an understatement, within 5 seconds had taped it!
Better get back to work instead of admiring new shiney kit! :O
Soldato
its a piece of cake. you dont need me to do a test, just set your resolution to 1280x720 and watch a film. rinse and repeat with 1920x1080. if we couldnt see the difference, people wouldn't be so caught up in the issues with scaling. when you sit this close to the screen, the difference is pretty obvious.
look at this example: http://tvcalculator.com/index.html?322b2e1da4211eb78b8b63771b50b579
look at the pixel densities of the 4 displays.
display #1 = standard 22" 16:10 lcd native 1680x1050).
display #2 = 24" display with a 1366x768 native resolution (typical of a 720p display)
display #3 = 24" display with a 1920x1080 native (1080p)
display #4 = 24" display with a 1920x1200 native (typical 24" 16:10 display)
now, those pixel densities. ask anybody who's moved from a 22" (display #1) to a 24"(display #4) and they'll all tell you the 24" display is sharper. text is sharper, in game its sharper, and video's are sharper. thats a change of 807pixels/sq.in - not a lot.
now imagine a 720p native screen at 24" (display #2). HALF the pixel density of a 22" windscreen (-4000pixels/sq.in or there abouts) , do you really think its not noticeable?
again, try running your 24" at 1280x720p and watch a few films on it. even upscaling dvd's theres a difference
Link shows 4black screens for me
Soldato
Link shows 4black screens for me
it was supposed to lol, its the pixel density i was referring to
Grrr.
Erata.
I shall correct it now lol.
Hehe... not the best source (apple trailers) but I made a quick mouseover, there's definitely a bit more detail in the 1080p which is more noticeable in motion. (Couldn't get the exact same frame).
http://www.twobeds.com/upload/userfiles/raiken/compare.html
Let me know if it doesn't work
