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Simon said:
Plus no one is doubting dry grip. The wet is the problem when a kid runs in front and you can't stop. The police investigation will soon notice if your running illegal tyres.
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What im saying though is these are a wet compound tyre with tread, if i was running a full bald slick then yes i can see everyones point and i wouldnt run them as thats very dangerous, fine for a dry track, not for the road because of damp patches.

But these are designed to run in the rain and damp conditions, exactly what a lot of england is like, will they deal with standing water, if they shallow yes as ive driven through it, do they grip more than a road tyre in damp conditions, 100% so, so im guessing everyones concerns are 2 fold.

a) Standing water(which i have no plans to go driving through like im sebastian loeb)
b) that theres no 'road use' moulding on them which instantly means that using them kills baby bunnys and kittens.


shoes said:
3) The tyres you have on your car are awful for the application which you have selected for them. They are designed to operate with a specific vehicle weight, suspension setup, brake setup etc. on a particular type of surface operating within a specific window of temperature in wet conditions. They will not perform as well in the dry, you are likely to never reach their proper operating temperature and frankly if you drive how you post then you should count yourself lucky that YOU haven't found a ditch yet.
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In the dry they out perform the equivelant road tyre, yes on a 30c temp track day at full speed they wont last to many laps because they are soft, but in uk conditions they seem great.
Are you saying that these tyres can only be fitted to one vehicle ever........what about people running touring car slicks on there track cars, is that wrong because its not a touring car.
A tyre doesnt know what your car is, its just a piece of rubber, yes it has an operating window that it gives peak grip, but up to yet, the grip it does give in the operating windows ive subjected it to far exceeds that of road tyres i had before(the ones that came off the vehicle were premium brand)

Ill give you an example,

Toyo 888s, people on here know for grip, theses are a very good tyre, but dont like rain or standing water.
If i was running them no one would have an issue, but what if i was running them in say, 2018, 3yrs after they stopped making them as they failed road tests for Wet Grip, Rolling Resistance and Noise, would people be shouting that i had made a mistake and ill crash at any moment.

I find it interesting because at that meet there were a few guys running 888s and looking at there tread, i had more than them and my tyre was softer so will grip better in cold damp conditions.
 
turbotoaster said:
What im saying though is these are a wet compound tyre with tread, if i was running a full bald slick then yes i can see everyones point and i wouldnt run them as thats very dangerous, fine for a dry track, not for the road because of damp patches.

But these are designed to run in the rain and damp conditions, exactly what a lot of england is like, will they deal with standing water, if they shallow yes as ive driven through it, do they grip more than a road tyre in damp conditions, 100% so, so im guessing everyones concerns are 2 fold.

a) Standing water(which i have no plans to go driving through like im sebastian loeb)
b) that theres no 'road use' moulding on them which instantly means that using them kills baby bunnys and kittens.




In the dry they out perform the equivelant road tyre, yes on a 30c temp track day at full speed they wont last to many laps because they are soft, but in uk conditions they seem great.
Are you saying that these tyres can only be fitted to one vehicle ever........what about people running touring car slicks on there track cars, is that wrong because its not a touring car.
A tyre doesnt know what your car is, its just a piece of rubber, yes it has an operating window that it gives peak grip, but up to yet, the grip it does give in the operating windows ive subjected it to far exceeds that of road tyres i had before(the ones that came off the vehicle were premium brand)

Ill give you an example,

Toyo 888s, people on here know for grip, theses are a very good tyre, but dont like rain or standing water.
If i was running them no one would have an issue, but what if i was running them in say, 2018, 3yrs after they stopped making them as they failed road tests for Wet Grip, Rolling Resistance and Noise, would people be shouting that i had made a mistake and ill crash at any moment.

I find it interesting because at that meet there were a few guys running 888s and looking at there tread, i had more than them and my tyre was softer so will grip better in cold damp conditions.
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You just don't see it do you? You sound like the burglar trying to justify his actions because the front door was unlocked. They are not a legal road tyre, no matter how much you try to convince people otherwise, just admit it, you are running an illegal tyre. Also they are NOT a wet weather tyre, they look like track cut slicks and if you hit standing water no matter how slow you might be going you will have problems.

Stop acting like the hard done by petulant child and put money into your car where it's important to do so. You told us you had 10K to build a 200mph track car, put some of that into the tyres and stop being stupid.
 
turbotoaster said:
In the dry they out perform the equivelant road tyre, yes on a 30c temp track day at full speed they wont last to many laps because they are soft, but in uk conditions they seem great.
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Seem great. Well you seem to be a bit of a plonker and I don't trust your opinion on the tyres at all. Have you taken them to the limit yet? Are they nice and progressive, giving you lots of warning and gentle slip? Let me know when snap oversteer has occurred out of the blue and you've reversed into a primary school gate at 100mph. ;)

turbotoaster said:
Are you saying that these tyres can only be fitted to one vehicle ever........what about people running touring car slicks on there track cars, is that wrong because its not a touring car.
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Have you checked the weight specification of the tyre? Are you running book pressures? Have you had your geo modified to account for the wider track etc.?

turbotoaster said:
A tyre doesnt know what your car is, its just a piece of rubber, yes it has an operating window that it gives peak grip, but up to yet, the grip it does give in the operating windows ive subjected it to far exceeds that of road tyres i had before(the ones that came off the vehicle were premium brand)
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Correct a tyre doesn't know what car it's on. It'll respond according to the forces applied to it. I don't know but I dare say an M5 is several hundred kilograms heavier than a GT car. I'd also wager than the roads are hugely different to the surfaces that tyre was designed to operate on.

Typically race tyres are very slippy when cold and require working up to temperature to get any reasonable grip from them. I'm looking forward to your help I crashed my car when it was cold outside thread.

Judging by the fact you think that it's acceptable to spend £50 on a tyre, let alone one for an M5 then I can only imagine you had mohawks or linglongs or something on before in which case a post office issue no. 6 parcel elastic band is likely to offer more grip.

turbotoaster said:
Ill give you an example,

Toyo 888s, people on here know for grip, theses are a very good tyre, but dont like rain or standing water.
If i was running them no one would have an issue, but what if i was running them in say, 2018, 3yrs after they stopped making them as they failed road tests for Wet Grip, Rolling Resistance and Noise, would people be shouting that i had made a mistake and ill crash at any moment.
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just lol. Road going R888s are designed for the road, your tyres are not. It is as simple as that. Tread depth is irrelevant past around 2.5mm in normal use and IIRC R888s come with a lot more than that from the mould.
turbotoaster said:
I find it interesting because at that meet there were a few guys running 888s and looking at there tread, i had more than them and my tyre was softer so will grip better in cold damp conditions.
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I don't think you understand tyre dynamics very well :(
 
paddy said:
Which bit of "not for road use" is causing you the confusion?

I'm just speechless...
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All he is doing is proving correct the people on that other forum who said he always knows best and has an answer for everything as on this forum he is coming across just the same. I don't think people need to meet with him to see that trait.
 
I have been reading this thread with utter bemusement. Turbotoaster you can argue your point as much as you like, the fact is these are illegal tyres.

Instead of banging on trying to justify your improper and inconsiderate use of these tyres, why not give some thought to why they are illegal to use on the road?

It doesn't take a genius to work out these tyres are not fit for the varying conditions you will face on our roads. Anything beyond a damp surface will render these tyres pretty useless and potentially dangerous on our roads. Your use of them is completely irresponsible.

Go out and get some road legal tyres and put them on if you are going to continue to drive on the roads that we (unfortunately) have to share with you...
 
Turbotoaster Why dont you try justifying your tyre choices to a nice man (or woman) in a special car...;) You'll spot the car easy, its got blue Lights on top and has the word POLICE all over it!

..Moron!
 
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in fairness, autoexpress or one of the other magazines did details road legal cut slicks against road tyres in a variety of conditions and the road legal track tyres were as good or better, but stupidly noisy

stupidly noisy tyres on a M5? youre defying the object of the car

infinity grip on a performance car, is the defying the object of the car too. where is the driver involvement when you have limitless grip?
 
You need 2 sets of tyres, a road and a track set. You seemingly can't afford both so you went with the track ones first and are working on the basis that you will simply 'get away with it'. You probably will of course but if it does go wrong you will be uninsured at best, at worst you could be looking at some time inside. All of this will fall on deaf ears however because you know best...
 
Matt82 said:
in fairness, autoexpress or one of the other magazines did details road legal cut slicks against road tyres in a variety of conditions and the road legal track tyres were as good or better, but stupidly noisy

stupidly noisy tyres on a M5? youre defying the object of the car

infinity grip on a performance car, is the defying the object of the car too. where is the driver involvement when you have limitless grip?
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I doubt that is the kind of discussion you can have when the tyres cost 35 quid a corner, were probably pulled off a chicane in an indoor go-karting centre, and were not the kind of purchase made by people with REAL money to spend.
 
Matt82 said:
in fairness, autoexpress or one of the other magazines did details road legal cut slicks against road tyres in a variety of conditions and the
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These are not road legal. These also look like track cut slicks, so they are slick tyres that are cut by Dunlop at the circuit for intermediate use. The compound will provide good dry grip but anything more than damp conditions will see them strugling and if they hit pools of water at that width they will be aquaplaining and then it's down to luck. Most road legal track tyres will provide grip in the wet but will be poor in very wet conditions. Track cut inters will simply be useless in heavy rain but then it is rare for heavy rain in England I suspose...
 
nucastle said:
I doubt that is the kind of discussion you can have when the tyres cost 35 quid a corner, were probably pulled off a chicane in an indoor go-karting centre, and were not the kind of purchase made by people with REAL money to spend.
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At that money they will be well past giving their best in the dry.
 
[TW]Fox;22309100 said:
When?
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a couple years ago. autoexpress or autocar, they did a youtube video of the test too. tested using a mondeo and a c class mercedes and the results were surprising, apart from the massive road noise
 
Whether or not these tyres are actually good or not is immaterial. They are illegal regardless.

I am hardly a saint, but running completely illegal tyres on something which you drive around infront of the police which could also have serious safety implications is not exactly something which can be argued is at all sensible under any circumstances.
 
nucastle said:
I doubt that is the kind of discussion you can have when the tyres cost 35 quid a corner, were probably pulled off a chicane in an indoor go-karting centre, and were not the kind of purchase made by people with REAL money to spend.
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Housey said:
At that money they will be well past giving their best in the dry.
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So it seems a lot of it is down to price as well as the legal implications.

They are brand new, if they were £200 a tyre would that modify peoples thoughts slightly.

Also they are a wet compound, not a dry, so they are designed to work in cool conditions.

If they were a dry compound with tread cut into them then i can see issues as they wont get up to temperature properly and feel like driving on a bag of marbles until they warm up
 
turbotoaster said:
So it seems a lot of it is down to price as well as the legal implications.

They are brand new, if they were £200 a tyre would that modify peoples thoughts slightly.

Also they are a wet compound, not a dry, so they are designed to work in cool conditions.

If they were a dry compound with tread cut into them then i can see issues as they wont get up to temperature properly and feel like driving on a bag of marbles until they warm up
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If they were £50 ditch finders but legal ditch finders then the most people can say can say is you should get better tyres for the car.

Right now, it is illegal. That's it, no more to it.

What makes it even worse is that we've had one of the wettest summer on record!
 
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