Just to note, they admitted responsibility for physically shooting down that aircraft, responsibility for the incident itself was pilot error on the Korean Airlines flight.
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Just to note, they admitted responsibility for physically shooting down that aircraft, responsibility for the incident itself was pilot error on the Korean Airlines flight.
The conversation is between Russian intelligence and a Russian Major. It was a Cossack group that shot it down.
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Suely the area should have been a no fly zone weeks ago anyway?
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Not trying to argue mate, just wanted to let you know what's available
I know - sad state of affairs
They acquired them from the Ukrainian military back in June:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_0...allation-1561/
It was designated a no fly zone by the rebels controlling it and avoided by the major airlines.
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Obviously you know best but I was under the impression that it's not known yet if the launcher was nicked from Ukraine or supplied recently by Russia.
You really need to stop presenting your opinion as fact.
Hey, don't bring the Permians into this!
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Fly over a war zone, take the rest of getting shot down...
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Your right the is no way of ever knowing that for certain but you have to look at these things logically, the have been no sightings of Buks crossing the boarder into east Ukraine, and why would Russia supply the rebels with Buk systems when they already had them at their disposal? it just wouldn't make sense, immense risk and absolutely nothing to gain.
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No not really. You just do not shoot down passenger planes.
And deffo ones that are flying well over the 32k barrier too.
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I think you should take some time to read the facts about this and not jump top conclusions. The no fly zone was 32k feet, the flight was at 33k feet with major airlines still using this flight path until this incident.
Considering the length of this uprising in Ukraine, its lucky this has been the only incident of its kind during this conflict.
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I read somewhere that it applied to aircraft up to 30,000ft.
MH17 was at 33,000ft, and therefore should have been safe. Just as all the other flights that passed through that area on that day as well as previously were safe.
If it was a SAM it seems like a terrible error by someone. I do not believe it was done knowing the aircraft was civillian. Probably more like poor training of the operators.
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The no fly zone applied to planes at any height inside the designated no fly zone. The NOTAM (warning) issued by the aviation authority applied to aircraft up to 30,000ft, presumably they didn't know/believe the rebels had the equipment necessary to enforce the no fly zone above that height.
From a strategic point of view neither side would have anything to gain by deliberately shooting down a neutral passenger plane (unless - they believed that they could lay the blame firmly on the other side).
While the above has elements of tin foil hattery attached to it, it's not outside the realms of possibility.
Personally I'd wager it was done in error by the pro-Russian rebels (who would have nothing to gain by setting the entire world against them, it just doesn't make sense).
In cases like this I'll watch from the sideline & see what the powers that be suggest is done in response to this & who is liable to gain the most, this is usually a good indicator as to who may have had a hand in it (on the basis that my first assumption that it was done in error is wrong).
While the above has elements of tin foil hattery attached to it, it's not outside the realms of possibility.
Personally I'd wager it was done in error by the pro-Russian rebels (who would have nothing to gain by setting the entire world against them, it just doesn't make sense).
In cases like this I'll watch from the sideline & see what the powers that be suggest is done in response to this & who is liable to gain the most, this is usually a good indicator as to who may have had a hand in it (on the basis that my first assumption that it was done in error is wrong).
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They had some kind of military professional on BBC last night, he said that any country that has this weaponry would be training their soldiers properly on how to use it and would easily be able to tell if the target was military or not, which suggests it was being used by untrained separatists, because as you say, nobody gains anything from targeting random civilians aircraft.
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I saw that too. Makes total sense and as pointed out by another member, it could be a 'boys with toys' kind of situation. Also, with commercial flights, I'm pretty sure they've got constant ground contact with the air traffic controllers on their route. These rebels clearly don't have this capability so its seen as a possible threat.