Boeing 777 shot down
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Sadly, many people in this world are idiots. This is a constant.
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This is probably what happened, I doubt they would be well trained for such a weapon and have mistakenly fired at it. Total tragedy but it's not the first time this has happened.
Basing on previous occurrences, how on earth can an apology be a suitable remedy?
We just don't, in this day in age, go around shooting up civilian aircraft. Russia/Ukraine aren't even on any war footing, so why would either have the need or even desire to do that?
No much confirmed info but preilvious flights went through south donetsk, this flight apparently diverted off course. Http://twitter.com/vageliskarmiros/status/489926167731142656/photo/1
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A stark reminder of what can happen when you supply what is effectively an organised yet inexperienced militia with comparitively advanced weaponry. If an American AEGIS Cruiser, with all of its advanced kit, a seasoned captain and crew, and all of the checks and balances involved in Navy protocol can make a catalogue of errors leading to the downing of a civilian airliner, then what is the liklihood of a poorly trained, trigger happy seperatist making the wrong call when left in charge of a SAM launcher?
I hope we get closure on this eventually, if only to provide some scant level of peace for the families of the victims. Unfortunately in the short to medium term all we'll have is denials and rhetoric, tragedies aren't about those directly affected, they're about political point scoring.
I hope we get closure on this eventually, if only to provide some scant level of peace for the families of the victims. Unfortunately in the short to medium term all we'll have is denials and rhetoric, tragedies aren't about those directly affected, they're about political point scoring.
You mean like the yanks was when the blew up British personal carriers in Iraq?
Oh that's right a yank got it wrong
it would be pointless anyway.
A boeing with chaff flares and how would you make any evasive manoeuvres with that plane so a pointless box to tick
You mean like the yanks was when the blew up British personal carriers in Iraq?
Oh that's right a yank got it wrong
The key word in there is "trained" the US forces have never been particularly well trained in comparison.
As I said in the other thread if the Ukrainian audio releases are real then the rebels didn't realise civilian planes were still overflying the area. An auto mode wouldn't be out of the question if that was the case.
That may imply a tragic accident and miscommunication, not a calculated attack. The only side that would benefit from a calculated attack on the plane would be the Ukrainian military, then blaming the rebels. that would be a pretty high stakes gamble though and supremely unlikely.
Gung-ho from one success it's quite likely that this is what happened.
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I'm not saying its a suitable remedy, simply pointing out how it will most likely pan out when looking at the previous!
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Depends what missile has been fired and what system you have on the plane, you can get a laser jamming pod, which some UPS planes + others have fitted.
Might not work everytime, but it's better than nothing.
Because it could easily have been a tragic accident... **** happens unfortunately, especially if the person operating the machinery isn't properly trained. The same was nations just apologise when they do similar, or blow up hospitals/civilian houses. See Israel and the blowing up of those kids on Wednesday and the US calculated attack on civilian airliners (in fact did they ever apologise?).
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They never admitted fault or even apologised, although they did give the families compensation. About $200,000 a person.
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If you've seen behind enemy lines, it will have een the guy in a track suite who done it.
No, the most likely scenario is they simply didn't realise it was a passenger plane. Ref the 'Christmas tree' - It was day time!
They're likely not experienced/we'll trained - that's all... operating the kit itself likely isn't too complicated.
Given the US navy managed to make the same mistake with an Iranian airliner it's very plausible that one of the rag tag bunch of fighters did this without realising they were shooting a passenger plane.
If this was an SA-17 type Buk launcher it is able to detect transponders and determine if it was a civilian aircraft. Reports so far say it was this type so this rules out auto-mode being used, it also strongly suggests the operator was not fully trained. This system is radar tracking.
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