Even heat seeking sidewinders need a target selecting first before locking on and firing. It's all pretty tricky unless you've had experience or know what you're doing. I would imagine a surface to air missile system to be similar, in that you would have some sort of screen showing blips as potential targets. Which would first need selecting before the system would even launch. Unless it was a totally automated system set to fire at will, which would be crazy.
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Even heat seeking sidewinders need a target selecting first before locking on and firing. It's all pretty tricky unless you've had experience or know what you're doing. I would imagine a surface to air missile system to be similar, in that you would have some sort of screen showing blips as potential targets. Which would first need selecting before the system would even launch. Unless it was a totally automated system set to fire at will, which would be crazy.
Just playing Devil's Advocate, but it could be that some of the rebels are ex-Ukraine military and had been trained to use this sort of equipment? Just speculation as I have no idea of the makeup/background of the rebels in general.
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Yes, also just as plausible.
However, the one downfall with trained army people from either side being involved is surely if they are trained on this equipment they would not have downed a civillian airliner?
Unless, of course it was done on purpose to destabalise the area yet further.
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Now the statements from Ukraine are saying Russia supplied the systems. Yet,there is evidence to show Buk systems were being fielded by the Ukranian military themselves currently,and that the rebels themselves might have captured some of the Ukranian launchers too.
They BOTH have Buk systems in play in the area. The separatists would be the more obvious party,but then again the Ukranian military shot down a Russian TU154M airliner in 2001 by mistake which killed nearly 80 people themselves:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ine-admits-it-shot-down-Russian-airliner.html
They admitted they accidentally shot it down with an S200 long range missile from an SA5 system.
Sergei Lavrov says a lot of things, but Russia ends up doing the opposite a lot of the time.
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i read that the SAM system automatically detects civil airplanes transponders and avoids them targeting at auto mode, only way to override this is by aiming manual. So it could be that someone deliberately wanted to shoot down a civilian aircraft.
So why would a pro russian wanted to shoot down an aircraft carrying civilians? what the benefit from it? i dont see any.
So why would a pro russian wanted to shoot down an aircraft carrying civilians? what the benefit from it? i dont see any.
Unfortunately the fact it was not recovered by independent search and rescue and secured immediately means the data on them will always be questioned.
No where else on earth would a black box be removed from the scene, or in fact the country where the crash took place, without permission and precautions taken to preserve the contents.
The cover up is already well under way
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Interesting read.....
http://www.janes.com/article/40902/...es-in-ukraine-believed-to-have-been-shot-down
http://www.janes.com/article/40902/...es-in-ukraine-believed-to-have-been-shot-down
If that really were the case, can you not see the tiny flaw from a military point of view?
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Well,it depends - say the aircraft was deliberately targeted and it was not incompetence,who would benefit?
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Probably Ukraine (if it were proven the shot was fired by pro-russian rebels).
I think the international community is strongly suspicious of the Russian involvement in that area.
Also, with all of the international eyes and ears in the region it halts Russian progress and buys Ukraine some breathing room.
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i do, but then again we are not aware of tge intentions the shooting party have. I just dont get it why would you shoot down an aricraft flying at 33000 feet, that is if you are pro russian, which can be seen as civilian on your screen, is close to exiting ukranian airspace (thus is of no military use, it couldnt be an ukranian antonov looking to land anywhere near the donetsk area while flying at ....33K feet).
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Unless it is a stand alone BUK missile platform (without all of the attending systems of the full set up) which is in auto mode which only has a radar that can tell friend or foe transponders.
Then it will shoot at anything that does not return a 'friend' signal.
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Exactly which is why the only sensible explanation is that somebody screwed up. I cannot see how this would be deliberate because the potential downsides for all involved parties outweigh the potential upsides by about a billion to one.
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Now confirmed that 298 people were on board, up from 295 because 3 of the passengers were babies who don't have their own ticket. 3 babies
someone actually took a photo of one of the babies and posted it on the net
it's laying inside what appears to be a small crater from the impact.
I bet loads of the passengers were concious and alive as they plummeted towards earth