Boeing 777 shot down

C.R.A.Z.Y · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:24

bloodiedathame said:
God I hate Twitter.

Why

It just called out a scummy company that tried to cash in on this tragedy for the lying scum that they are!!

arknor said:
someone actually took a photo of one of the babies and posted it on the net

Which you seem to be very keen on letting everyone know that you have looked at in great detail :rolleyes:

snips86x · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:27

arknor said:
someone actually took a photo of one of the babies and posted it on the net

it's laying inside what appears to be a small crater from the impact.

I bet loads of the passengers were concious and alive as they plummeted towards earth

Makes me sad

Such a depressing and horrific thought!

The Funktopus · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:27

SAM systems like the BUK are equipped with IFF (Identification Friend/Foe) interrogator. This sends out a signal to a selected target, which replies with a code using an IFF transponder. If it replies with the right code, the operator's told the target is friendly, and interlocks in the fire control system prevent it engaging a friendly aircraft. Reply with the wrong code, or don't reply to the IFF interrogator at all (which an airliner won't, as it has a civil ATC transponder, not an IFF transponder), then the contact is classified as either hostile or unknown, and can be engaged.

In short, IFF can only tell you if an aircraft is friendly, or not. It can't tell you anything else about the target.

Flying_Hellfish · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:28

leaskovski said:
I found this amusing...

https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/489831084079996928

Brilliant spot

londonbairn · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:31

Very sad

Can't believe some of the conspiracy theories flying around....!

Devlish · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:31

[TW]Fox;26625496 said:
Exactly which is why the only sensible explanation is that somebody screwed up. I cannot see how this would be deliberate because the potential downsides for all involved parties outweigh the potential upsides by about a billion to one.

The separatists thought it was a ukrainian cargo plane like the one they shot down days before, so it was a mistake. Does not mean they should not be punished for it.

snips86x · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:33

Devlish said:
Its quite simple. The separatists thought it was a ukrainian cargo plane.

Coupled with the fact that the transponder (as above) wouldn't respond due to the difference between the types used, its horrific!!!

ubersonic · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:35

Devlish said:
The separatists thought it was a ukrainian cargo plane.

Which falls under Fox's explanation that somebody screwed up and it wasn't deliberate.

Xordium · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:35

[TW]Fox;26625496 said:
Exactly which is why the only sensible explanation is that somebody screwed up.

Exactly you only had look at the idiots in the BMP the other week firing shells into shops. We'd have the same problems over here if we left military hardware accessible to the local hoodies or even a fair few members of these forums.

Devlish · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:36

snips86x said:
Coupled with the fact that the transponder (as above) wouldn't respond due to the difference between the types used, its horrific!!!

Poor people on board, I regularly flew MAS from Heathrow to KL, once got diverted through Amsterdam for some reason. In the air, four hours in, things are pretty muted, kids are starting to get bored etc. This is just too horrific to think about.

Cosimo · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:37

News just showed a video of what was purported to be a missile launcher with missiles missing heading towards the Russian border.

Freddie1980 · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:37

Devlish said:
The separatists thought it was a ukrainian cargo plane like the one they shot down days before, so it was a mistake. Does not mean they should not be punished for it.

The "separatists" are using equipment that they don't know how to use and have no business in using.

ubersonic · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:37

snips86x said:
Coupled with the fact that the transponder (as above) wouldn't respond due to the difference between the types used, its horrific!!!

Lol, if you find that scary, the transponder of the Iranian airliner the US navy shot down was identifying itself as a commercial airliner, the Navy Captain decided to shoot it down anyway because he figured just because it said it wasn't military didn't make it non-military >.>

Devlish · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:38

ubersonic said:
Which falls under Fox's explanation that somebody screwed up and it wasn't deliberate.

I see it more as they deliberately shot down a plane. Through incompetence or a lack of caring they wiped out a civilian flight and killed 300 innocent people, including 80 kids. They pulled the trigger though, no two ways about it.

snips86x · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:39

Cosimo said:
News just showed a video of what was purported to be a missile launcher with missiles missing heading towards the Russian border.

It was reported early this morning that the BUK supposedly used to take the plane down was sneaking back into Russia.

ubersonic said:
Lol, if you find that scary, the transponder of the Iranian airliner the US navy shot down was identifying itself as a commercial airliner, the Navy Captain decided to shoot it down anyway because he figured just because it said it wasn't military didn't make it non-military >.>

Oh lord - they're no better with their history!

leaskovski · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:39

ubersonic said:
Which falls under Fox's explanation that somebody screwed up and it wasn't deliberate.

Or... Ukrainians thought it was Sadimir Poutins plane, going by some of the comparison images on twitter.

Devlish · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:44

leaskovski said:
Or... Ukrainians thought it was Sadimir Poutins plane, going by some of the comparison images on twitter.

That BS speculation on the RU forums. Its even been shot down by the RU media.

"Putin has only one jet – Board One, he does not fly other planes. This plane always takes off from Vnukovo-3, but the presidential plane has not been flying over Ukraine for a while," another source told the Gazeta.ru news portal.

dowie · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:45

Freefaller said:
I think he meant in terms of visibility on radar not actually "being visible to the naked eye" - a military plane surely would be using countermeasures to avoid radar contact no?

We'll they can fly low...

But no I don't see why a local radar system being operated by some rebels is going to distinguish between a military transport plane and an airliner. That's the main thing - they're operating this thing in relative isolation, no command and control... no liaising with air traffic control etc...

bloodiedathame · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:45

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Why

It just called out a scummy company that tried to cash in on this tragedy for the lying scum that they are!!

I don't have a problem with that, though it looked more like a stupid mistake than the fact they are scum (that's a bit strong). It's the further commenting and retweeting that irks me. Like a tell-tale kid at school, some sort of attention seeking mission for uninteresting nobodies to continually share a scrap of mis-information in the hope they get a retweet/boner when someone else passes it on.

Devlish · 18 Jul 2014 at 13:48

ubersonic said:
Lol, if you find that scary, the transponder of the Iranian airliner the US navy shot down was identifying itself as a commercial airliner, the Navy Captain decided to shoot it down anyway because he figured just because it said it wasn't military didn't make it non-military >.>

Wow you come up with some ****. The vincenz had been engaging iranian gunboats and was in iranian waters when it thought it was being attacked by a tomcat. The radar operator interpreted the radar type wrongly, as military rather than civilian. When no response was made to challenges they shot. No doubt another tragedy but there were many things that went wrong that caused it.

the only mistake here was by Russia giving the separatists support to continue their insurgency to this point, and this result.