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And look at the decadent and degenerate society in which we now live. We've got murderers suing the tax payer because he got beat up. This is no an 'evolution' at all.
It's justice.
Botched execution in the US
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And look at the decadent and degenerate society in which we now live. We've got murderers suing the tax payer because he got beat up. This is no an 'evolution' at all.
It's justice.
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Would you suggest an alternative, they have to be kept appart from society somehow or they will just reoffend.
Perhaps forcing them into a life of a quadraplegic (I doubt I spelled that right) but then that may be a life to lavish despite the loss of freedom. We could also do the demolition man approach where they are cryogenically frozen and their minds altered to be rehabilitated as they sleep, then later released when the computer has sufficiently BSOD'd while in their heads
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My dad worked at Lincoln Prison (retired last year).
They asked him at his job interview what he thought life in prison was like. He said, gloomy, depressing etc etc the reply he got was epic
"Have you seen the tv sitcom porridge?" well, that's what it's like
They asked him at his job interview what he thought life in prison was like. He said, gloomy, depressing etc etc the reply he got was epic
"Have you seen the tv sitcom porridge?" well, that's what it's like
It's not. Its state mandated retribution. Fair and objective Justice is always balanced with mercy, there is no mercy in retribution, only revenge.
As far as what prisons are like, I don't know about here in the UK, but in the US they are certainly not holiday camps...not by a long way.
Women abuse children as well
Plenty of cases in the past.Thompson_NCL said:
Place's like Texas who execute people like it's going out of fashion have a much higher crime rate especially murder and violent crimes
Only if you are some sort of religious fanatic or still living in the dark ages
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My brother is a prison officer, whilst obviously it's only the viewpoint of a single person, he's of the opinion that conditions are bloody horrible. Back in 2008 it was suggested that 50% of prisoners spend 6 hours or less out of their cells per day, 20% spend 2 hours or less outside their cells per day (the target is that prisoners spend 10 hours per day outside their cells). Given the budget cuts the sector has experienced since then I would imagine it's a far worse situation now.
In response to the anticipated comments, no, they don't all have Xbox ones and PS4s in their cells.
Look up his transgressions, he got off easy
To save you time he brutally assaulted, raped and tortured his murder victim.
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Nice thinly veiled racist post
Care to elaborate? It's a statistical fact that murder rates are highest amongst African-Americanism in impoverished areas. There is nothing racist about stating this fact.
So you are O.K with the state executing the mentally ill, the poor and individuals who have both the mental and intellectual age of young child
If they are committing horrific crimes, absolutely.
I don't agree with your claim. In what way have criminals dictated my morality? No one has murdered me or anyone I personally cared about, I made a sober and rational decision. I think it's you who is allowing your morality to be dictated by others.
I would also like to point out that civilized societies exist precisely because they exercise the use of violence.
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Well that depends entirely on whether you want to get "value" from someone, and how "value" is actually measured. I don't think that we should get "value" from anyone who is incarcerated.
Again, it depends what you're referring to by torture. I would consider life imprisonment sufficient for heinous crimes. You lose your liberty, your family, your friends, your life. That's enough.
I think (I don't have the source) that it has been shown that capital punishment does nothing to deter criminals. In most cases, crimes like these are spur of the moment emotional decisions, and have no prior motive, therefore meaning that deterrents are irrelevant. In the case of pre-meditated crimes, anyone who plans a crime such as these doesn't care about the consequences or is fully aware of them.
Why do you say of course it has a lower murder rate? I'm guessing you're referring to the evidence that says that immigration and ethnic diversity cause economic difficulties, which results in higher crime?
Capital punishment is absolute hypocrisy.
It's KARMA for what he did
What happened to him is humane compared to what he did!
shot twice and buried alive vs 40 minute seizure and heart attack what would you choose?
Indeed.
I've always thought of it like this.
1. There is no evidence to support it acts as a deterrent.
2. For any other crimes other than murder, the person involved has everything to gain & nothing to lose to kill any witnesses to avoid death (child rape becomes child rape, then murder).
3. It's impossible to undo. Juries are bias, judges are bias - people make mistakes, our justice system is fallible - these are facts which can't be ignored.
Life imprisonment retains the ability to let them out if it turns out they are innocent.
4. Giving the state the authority to kill it's own citizens opens up it's own set of moral & ethical hazards & is far to authoritarian for my liking.
There is no such thing as Karma, what evil deeds did the baby do to deserve being raped?. (using the same Karma 'logic')
You mean we've gotten soft and started stockpiling our unredeemable criminals in prisons so they can "educate" less competent criminals >.>
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What is wrong with retribution? Retribution is a form of justice.
Compared to death, they are pretty generous. Compared to an existence of millions throughout sub-Saharan Africa, it's a holiday camp.
I'd rather be in prison than hanged or living in DR Congo.
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I agree the deterrence value of capital punishment is low, which is why I said I disagreed with that angle of the debate. There will be some deterrence, but not for murder unrelated to economic benefit. I think drug dealers and so forth might be deterred if they risked a death penalty.
And areas with higher incomes and less ethnic diversity have much lower crime rates.
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They still get better education than I could ever afford
Because it is an act of simple retaliation, not objective justice.
Having been in both the DRC and a US youth detention centre, the Detention centre was worse. Given that I know at least one person who hung themselves whilst in a detention centre, they clearly thought, unlike you that hanging was preferable. In any case the comparisons are silly...you may as well say that being homeless is worse than imprisonment, that doesn't mean we should imprison homeless people because it's better for them...
So your argument is subjective at best.
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yea yea karma is a lot of crap but still he earned his own rewards and had it coming
An American prison? you might want watch some documentaries
although I'd rather be in an American prison that one on the continent of Africa
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Thompson, I don't think you're changing anyone's mind.
The alternative I would suggest isn't necessarily a different set of actions, merely a different moral standpoint - which could easily result in the same eventual decision.
We shouldn't be deciding how our society treats people based on revenge.