British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19

Every man and his dog knows Honda couldn't secure sponsorship, the earth dream was because they couldn't secure money. If you story is true why didn't they secure sponsorship after the earth dream joke.

Williams, your mentioning sponsors that are not offering a 10th of what it takes to be a front running team. Williams have struggled since rothmans departed to find anything like the required funds.

Renault haven't secured a decent sponsor since ING and the one that have secured won't be that big a deal.

Branson doesn't enjoy being the under dog, he just couldn't afford a 10th of the required amount per season to run a top flight team. Its also quite well known that Mercedes are not that keen on pumping in more money and used Brawn as a back out. The only money they are spending is the money they got from the share in Mclaren. There will be pressure to find sponsors.

Oh and those viewing figures eh? Yeah they are the kinda viewing figures that had channel 4's big brother prounounced as dead, let alone a top flight sport that requires 10's of millions in sponsorship and we actually have two decent drivers for.

It's pretty common knowledge that teams are having serious trouble selling car space for anything like the kind of funding needed to run a top team, which is why the budget cap was dreamt up in the first place to try to protect the sport.
 
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frakker said:
The Honda Earthdream thing was something devised by Simon Fuller (he of Pop Idol and Spice Girls fame). Honda had sponsorship lined up for 2007, but Fuller's idea was to get "F1 on the tip of everyone's tongue."

Instead, it spectacularly backfired and the would be sponsors left in their droves. It had nothing to do with the state of the economy or F1 at that point in time.
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Agreed. That was of the most awful livery moves in history ever. I think Simon Fuller fancied another string to his bow and another area of involvement but it just didn't work at all. If that year's Honda had been any good and actually won races on a regular basis the idea might have worked as the car and livery would have been in the limelight. But that Honda was rubbish and the car wasn't in the limelight.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Every man and his dog knows Honda couldn't secure sponsorship, the earth dream was because they couldn't secure money. If you story is true why didn't they secure sponsorship after the earth dream joke.

Williams, your mentioning sponsors that are not offering a 10th of what it takes to be a front running team. Williams have struggled since rothmans departed to find anything like the required funds.

Renault haven't secured a decent sponsor since ING and the one that have secured won't be that big a deal.

Branson doesn't enjoy being the under dog, he just couldn't afford a 10th of the required amount per season to run a top flight team. Its also quite well known that Mercedes are not that keen on pumping in more money and used Brawn as a back out. The only money they are spending is the money they got from the share in Mclaren. There will be pressure to find sponsors.

Oh and those viewing figures eh? Yeah they are the kinda viewing figures that had channel 4's big brother prounounced as dead, let alone a top flight sport that requires 10's of millions in sponsorship and we actually have two decent drivers for.

It's pretty common knowledge that teams are having serious trouble selling car space for anything like the kind of funding needed to run a top team, which is why the budget cap was dreamt up in the first place to try to protect the sport.
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Which all goes to show Max was absolutely right in the need to drive costs in F1 down... but no, the petrolheads didn't want to know.

Re the viewing figures - the comparison with big brother is not right, it's all about demographics. The F1 demographic tend not to watch much TV but tend to have a lot of disposable income, compared to other cohorts. F1 ad time is far more valuable per viewer than BB time.
 
Duke said:
The crowd was really getting into it. I could fully follow what was going on via 5 Live commentary although the track commentary was 'ok'. I didn't need to look at the screen unless something minor had happened like someone drifting off a little etc.
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... Or Alonso gets a Penalty and the entire crowd erupts!

I live F1 at the track, its such an experience.
 
Don't know if its been mentioned but straight after alonso's move on kubica, Charlie Whiting told ferrari that they should give the position back, three times. It looks like they got what they deserved.
 
What's amazing is that Ferrari actually had to "ask" whether it was OK. No of course it wasn't ****ing OK!

Can you imagine an old school Silverstone racer from decades gone by doing that and blindly assuming he would get away with it?
 
clv101 said:
Re the viewing figures - the comparison with big brother is not right, it's all about demographics. The F1 demographic tend not to watch much TV but tend to have a lot of disposable income, compared to other cohorts. F1 ad time is far more valuable per viewer than BB time.
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Hard to prove really who has more disposable income, the advertising on BB used to be huge, where as didn't toyota want money back once they realised the F1 viewing figures were less than great on ITV iirc.

NathanE said:
What's amazing is that Ferrari actually had to "ask" whether it was OK. No of course it wasn't ****ing OK!
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Well they wouldn't be the first to get away with cutting a corner and getting passed and not getting a penalty didn't someone get away with it recently. Madness though if it's true that whiting told them to let them back.
 
I wonder if Alonso was told by his team to let Kubica past. But because of Alonso current state of mind, he ignored it. Perhaps it's all related to the "don't talk to me on the radio for the rest of the race" comment?

It could explain why Ferrari are being fairly quiet about it this time around. Because they might be managing a problem with their driver behind closed doors...
 
Providing Ferrari told Alonso (immediately), that he has to give the place back, it isnt Ferrari management's fault, but more Alonso. What is important here is: did Ferrari tell Alonso to give the place back and when was this done.
 
Sounds like something out a cartoon... Toys out the pram massively from alonso and ferrari there! Clearly told give it back and trying to cheat their way up the positions, drive through perfectly fair, especially with the safety car to really point out that cheating never pays! (real cheating not getting lucky with slightly contentious safety car rules like hammy in valencia)

Would have though alonso would have learnt his lesson after seeing what happened to his old team after piquets deliberate crash... :D
 
"Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said the team did not ask Alonso to let Kubica through because it did not feel the Spaniard has gained an advantage."

In otherwords, when Whiting asked Ferrari to give the place back, they never passed this message on to Alonso. The first Alonso would've known about this then, would've been when he was told that he had to serve a penalty.

If the above is all true, if I were Alonso, I too would be mightily p'd off.
 
sunama said:
"Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said the team did not ask Alonso to let Kubica through because it did not feel the Spaniard has gained an advantage."

In otherwords, when Whiting asked Ferrari to give the place back, they never passed this message on to Alonso. The first Alonso would've known about this then, would've been when he was told that he had to serve a penalty.

If the above is all true, if I were Alonso, I too would be mightily p'd off.
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Hence why he cut radio communication with the team.
Are ferrari stupid or do they bite milk?
 
So Ferrari got told by the race director they need to give the place back but Domenicale thought he knew better and did not tell Alonso that, yet he complains that by the 3rd time he was told Alonso was too far ahead, this is so ridiculous it's funny
 
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