British Grand Prix 2011, Silverstone Circuit - Race 9/19
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Soldato
FP3 commentary saying that apparently Charlie is ignoring any pleas for the 10% changes made after Thursday morning. Mercedes made their request midweek while Renault waited until Thursday/Friday. At the moment it means that Merc teams are allowed to the change they requested while Renault are not.
Apparently Horners last words before Kravitz walked away was "I'm going to see Charlie"
More controversy!
Apparently Horners last words before Kravitz walked away was "I'm going to see Charlie"
More controversy!
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Soldato
No. hot blowing is what Mercedes do, by injecting and burning fuel when the engine is off throttle.
Cold blowing is when the engine doesn't inject fuel when the driver is off throttle
Renault engined teams have been compromised now. Where as Mercedes engined teams are allowed to continue as normal.
It's laughable
Soldato
OMFG did that commentator really say he didnt understand how 10% throttle wasn't 10% as it is fuel?
/facepalm
/facepalm
Soldato
Murray Walker is awesome, nice to have him back.
anyone can hot blow 10% not just mercedes?
What if RBR were to run as they want to (ie. flounting the 10% rule), but run under protest. They can then win the race, pending a court hearing. If RBR win the court battle, they keep the points and run the rest of the season as they please. If they lose, then they lose the points they score tomorrow and they have to make the changes (as per the FIA's recommendations), for the rest of the year.
Could the above work?
I actually fancy RBR/Renault to win their case, if it goes to a long debate in court.
Could the above work?
I actually fancy RBR/Renault to win their case, if it goes to a long debate in court.
Soldato
Yeah cold blowing is using the engine as a pump to create airflow and hot blowing is using the combustion to make flow.
50% throttle on these engines being 68% airflow (through the engine) is a lot! So much so, it is not surprising it is a part of the engine cooling system. It must remove a huge amount of heat and now the water cooling has to do that.
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Which is why it should be left as is until the end of the season.
Renault can't hot blow, it would kill their engine. So mercedes have an advantage that Renault can't meet as engine development is banned. Unless they fit bigger radiators. Perhaps that's why RBR are so up in arms. They are meant to be running the tightest package with not enough room for kers let alone larger radiators.
Renault can't hot blow, it would kill their engine. So mercedes have an advantage that Renault can't meet as engine development is banned. Unless they fit bigger radiators. Perhaps that's why RBR are so up in arms. They are meant to be running the tightest package with not enough room for kers let alone larger radiators.
Soldato
Again today Button fast over first 2 splits and slower in final sector, either he is sandbagging or he has a real problem in the final sector with that rear wing.
Soldato
Yup, you are right imho, mid season rule changes are a joke.
FIA reverts to original exhaust*decision
by adamcooperf1 July 9, 2011
The FIA issued a further Technical Directive this morning that in effect brings us back to where we were earlier this weekend, with teams restricted to 10% throttle opening under braking.
Renault and Red Bull have thus lost the advantage that rivals claimed they had been given yesterday.
After the letter was sent out this morning Adrian Newey and Christian Horner went down to visit race control to discuss it further. In fact this blog told Charlie Whiting that they were waiting for him…
Today’s TD26 says that from today the FIA will revert to the already issued TD22 and TD25, and states that any evidence on the matter that has arisen since Thursday is not admissible in terms of influencing the FIA’s decision.
The directive says: “In line with the requirements to provide acceptable SECU configurations to the FIA before the start of the British GP, ie before the start of the Event at 10am on Thursday, we consider any information provided after that time to be inadmissible for this Event.”
The directive adds that there is “an exception (of which every manufacturer was aware before the event) fired overrun will be permitted in FC04.”
The significance of that is that as Horner made clear yesterday Renault cannot take advantage of that for reliability reasons, whereas Mercedes can.
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by adamcooperf1 July 9, 2011
The FIA issued a further Technical Directive this morning that in effect brings us back to where we were earlier this weekend, with teams restricted to 10% throttle opening under braking.
Renault and Red Bull have thus lost the advantage that rivals claimed they had been given yesterday.
After the letter was sent out this morning Adrian Newey and Christian Horner went down to visit race control to discuss it further. In fact this blog told Charlie Whiting that they were waiting for him…
Today’s TD26 says that from today the FIA will revert to the already issued TD22 and TD25, and states that any evidence on the matter that has arisen since Thursday is not admissible in terms of influencing the FIA’s decision.
The directive says: “In line with the requirements to provide acceptable SECU configurations to the FIA before the start of the British GP, ie before the start of the Event at 10am on Thursday, we consider any information provided after that time to be inadmissible for this Event.”
The directive adds that there is “an exception (of which every manufacturer was aware before the event) fired overrun will be permitted in FC04.”
The significance of that is that as Horner made clear yesterday Renault cannot take advantage of that for reliability reasons, whereas Mercedes can.
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thats a good point mercedes runs huge radiators , genuinely have a lot of issues on hot circuits havint to run loads of slits in the sides of the car.
surely its a compromise on performance to hot blow anyway ? i'd imagine mclaren have the same huge radiators mercedes do
I would have thought so.
Either cold blow and have small rads, or hot blow and compromise your aero. We all know which way RBR has gone and I expect why they are kicking up such fuss compared to other renault teams, that I haven't heard a peal from.
Either cold blow and have small rads, or hot blow and compromise your aero. We all know which way RBR has gone and I expect why they are kicking up such fuss compared to other renault teams, that I haven't heard a peal from.
Soldato
Don't forget that previously Mercedes were hot blowing by a lot more than 10%