That's trypue, but going from 68 cold blown to 10% hot blown is a Hell of a heat change that hass to be dissipated. Nothing can be done this weekend. Maybe mercedes engines cars will be able to reduce radiator size and gain a little aero and lower ballast. Where Renault cars might have to increase radiator size to just cope with 10% cold blown let alone hot blown. I bet they are glad it's England and cool temps.
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That's trypue, but going from 68 cold blown to 10% hot blown is a Hell of a heat change that hass to be dissipated. Nothing can be done this weekend. Maybe mercedes engines cars will be able to reduce radiator size and gain a little aero and lower ballast. Where Renault cars might have to increase radiator size to just cope with 10% cold blown let alone hot blown. I bet they are glad it's England and cool temps.
says who? its never been said how much they were hot blowing by only renault claiming 50% cold is the same as 10% hot?
the key point is this:
The Merc overrun was known to everyone, known to the FIA, and always going to be allowed following this regulation. Nobody has protested against it. The Renault 50% throttle was only revealed on Friday.
I think Renault were trying to play sneaky and drop in this bombshell at the last minute to force the FIA to allow them to keep their 50% throttle, and for yesterday at least, it appeared to work. However the FIA have now seen sense, and dismissed Renaults last minute attempt.
But the key point for me is that the Merc overrun was always going to be allowed, and everyone knew it was always going to be allowed. I think Renault are just trying to make a big thing about it after their 'sneaky trick' fell through. The regulations now are exactly as they were defined they would be before we came to Silverstone, when nobody was protesting them.
The Merc overrun was known to everyone, known to the FIA, and always going to be allowed following this regulation. Nobody has protested against it. The Renault 50% throttle was only revealed on Friday.
I think Renault were trying to play sneaky and drop in this bombshell at the last minute to force the FIA to allow them to keep their 50% throttle, and for yesterday at least, it appeared to work. However the FIA have now seen sense, and dismissed Renaults last minute attempt.
But the key point for me is that the Merc overrun was always going to be allowed, and everyone knew it was always going to be allowed. I think Renault are just trying to make a big thing about it after their 'sneaky trick' fell through. The regulations now are exactly as they were defined they would be before we came to Silverstone, when nobody was protesting them.
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Why not just ban blown diffusers I stead of all this 10% 50% nonsense and just be done with the matter.
They can't declare it a moveable aero which are banned and then say oh well u can use it 10%
It's like saying u can use the f duct but only put 1 finger over the hole instead of your full hand...
They can't declare it a moveable aero which are banned and then say oh well u can use it 10%
It's like saying u can use the f duct but only put 1 finger over the hole instead of your full hand...
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There was special dispensation for Mercedes to hot-blow by 10% it's pretty much stated in every article about the new regs.
All Renualt engined teams should just withdraw. That would teach the FIA not to mess about.
More like RBR allow Merc team to win, they can afford it and still comfortably lead both championships, then moan that they were unable to keep up due to the rules to get their 50%, thus restoring their advantage over the field whilst everyone else have to stay with 10%, which is less than they were using at the start of the season.
In other words RBR/Renault will play this to get an even bigger advantage over their competition than they had already.
When was it first discussed two months ago?
More than enough time for new exhaust to be made and corresponding body work.
But why change it mid season at all.
yea and then if renault get their blowing bvack ferrari and mclaren and mercedes withdraw and probably force india etc with them...
not beeing alowed to "blow" because they didnt protest it until after the silverstone event had started on thursday
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Ant made sense then. "Just run what you were running in 2009 when no teams had EBD, and just get on with it."
Of course there are reports that Renualt were clod blowing 90% in 2009
Of course there are reports that Renualt were clod blowing 90% in 2009
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Exactly..i think we all agree, its a farce.
No, if Renault were unhappy about Merc being allowed to hot blow they should have raised it 2 months ago, not now, and not only after their own attempt to get dispensation failed.
Renaults plans failed, so now they are complaining about Merc, but its just to late.
And to answer the why they aren't banning EBDs, it is because the EBD itself is not against the regulations, the regulations will be changed at the end of the year to do this. Off throttle blowing of the EBD has been deemed illegal in relation to the CURRENT regulations. The FIA have not changed the rules, they have merely clarified a current one to include off throttle blown diffusers.
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Lol Horners having a good old seethe!
The whole situation just makes the fia look foolish, guess they have the same problem the drug testers do in other sports in that they are always one step behind the drugs makers or in this case the engineers, as fast as they close loopholes they find more to exploit.
As the comms just said even if the fia had a top technical bod on board to try and pre empt what loopholes could be exploited he's got to battle 900 other blokes from the 12 teams!
The whole situation just makes the fia look foolish, guess they have the same problem the drug testers do in other sports in that they are always one step behind the drugs makers or in this case the engineers, as fast as they close loopholes they find more to exploit.
As the comms just said even if the fia had a top technical bod on board to try and pre empt what loopholes could be exploited he's got to battle 900 other blokes from the 12 teams!
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