Chances of UKIP winning General Election?

[FnG]magnolia · 6 Jun 2014 at 10:50

deuse said:
And 10,000+ behind the cons

And UKIP were 7,000 behind the Conservatives.

I'd ask what your point is but we both know you don't have one.

deuse · 6 Jun 2014 at 10:53

[FnG]magnolia;26411646 said:
And UKIP were 7,000 behind the Conservatives.

I'd ask what your point is but we both know you don't have one.

Oh dear god. Here we go with flower power.

[FnG]magnolia · 6 Jun 2014 at 10:58

deuse said:
Oh dear god. Here we go with flower power.

I don't know what you think you're trying to say here :confused:

Anyway, how do UKIP compare to your previous preferred party, the BNP? I mean, other than also making grandoise statements but not winning much in the way of anything at all.

RoboCod · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:11

Tom_ed1987 said:
One of the comments from the article is worth a repost:

"At a 60% drop in vote, the Tories have just had the largest percentage drop of any party in any by-election in UK voting history"

And that's with, as far as I can tell, the conservative war machine at Defcon 1.

Massive drop, but still walked it.

HangTime · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:21

Slim to none. Ladbrokes are offering 20/1 which seems very short to me.

Schlong&Stable · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:26

[FnG]magnolia;26411687 said:
I don't know what you think you're trying to say here

Anyway, how do UKIP compare to your previous preferred party, the BNP? I mean, other than also making grandoise statements but not winning much in the way of anything at all.

Oh come now, I know you're just dying to trot out one of the same old tired slurs: Racist, Fascist, Bigot, Homophobe. Embrace your anger!

Gilly · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:28

HangTime said:
Slim to none. Ladbrokes are offering 20/1 which seems very short to me.

Makes sense to me. It won't happen, and stupid people will still pay to back it.

Thompson_NCL said:
Oh come now, I know you're just dying to trot out one of the same old tired slurs: Racist, Fascist, Bigot, Homophobe. Embrace your anger!

Are you trying to say it is wrong to be angry about someone who shows any or all of those things?

Skidder · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:30

Thompson_NCL said:
Oh come now, I know you're just dying to trot out one of the same old tired slurs: Racist, Fascist, Bigot, Homophobe. Embrace your anger!

You're forgetting: ignorant, moronic, unintelligent and easily-swayed.

Schlong&Stable · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:32

Gilly said:
Are you trying to say it is wrong to be angry about someone who shows any or all of those things?

Yes. We've been over this before. Anger is not the correct emotional response to someone who expresses views which differ from your own. It's a sign of immaturity.

But that isn't what my post was about. I was merely suggesting that we were going to see the same worn out accusations.

Gilly · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:40

Thompson_NCL said:
Yes. We've been over this before. Anger is not the correct emotional response to someone who expresses views which differ from your own. It's a sign of immaturity.

But that isn't what my post was about. I was merely suggesting that we were going to see the same worn out accusations.

Anger is a natural response when you encounter something inherently wrong that needs to be addressed. Something that is deceitful, frustrating, insulting or idiotic will illicit a reaction of anger, and rightly so.

Racism should be met with anger. That you feel differently speaks volumes.

ubersonic · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:40

Thompson_NCL said:
Anger is not the correct emotional response to someone who expresses views which differ from your own.

Depends on the views, in the case of racism, homophobia, facism then anger is a very good response, if we learn to tolerate these views then that's a step closer to accepting them.

Gilly said:
Racism should be met with anger. That you feel differently speaks volumes.

Indeed.

[FnG]magnolia · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:44

Thompson_NCL said:
Yes. We've been over this before. Anger is not the correct emotional response to someone who expresses views which differ from your own. It's a sign of immaturity.

But that isn't what my post was about. I was merely suggesting that we were going to see the same worn out accusations.

There were no accusations. I actually asked a question regarding how Deuse finds UKIP compared to the BNP who he previously voted for.

By the way, anger can be a completely reasonable response to views you find idiotic or pitiful. In this case, I'm surprised more than angered by the view but you're being typically binary in your response so the nuance will of course be lost.

Schlong&Stable · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:50

Gilly said:
Anger is a natural response when you encounter something inherently wrong that needs to be addressed. Something that is deceitful, frustrating, insulting or idiotic will illicit a reaction of anger, and rightly so.

Racism should be met with anger. That you feel differently speaks volumes.

There is nothing 'inherently wrong' about most anything; morality is a construct which is blown like a leaf on the wind. My lack of anger over these and many other issues is simply my recognition of this fact.

The fact you think it 'speaks volumes' (a not entirely subtle accusation) is because you are narrow minded and all too eager to label people in a manner that reinforces your own world view.

Not that I am saying I am necessarily any better, it's just I am concious of my hypocrisy, whereas you seem to wallow in ignorance of your own.

By all means challenge and criticise the things you don't agree with, I would do exactly the same. But anger is not the right response for a mature person.

platypus · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:51

Thompson_NCL said:
There is nothing 'inherently wrong' about most anything; morality is a construct which is blown like a leaf on the wind. My lack of anger over these and many other issues is simply my recognition of this fact.

The fact you think it 'speaks volumes' (a not entirely subtle accusation) is because you are narrow minded and all too eager to label people in a manner that reinforces your own world view.

Not that I am saying I am necessarily any better, it's just I am concious of my hypocrisy, whereas you seem to wallow in ignorance of your own.

I'd forgotten that you are such an enlightened being.

Skidder · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:55

If not being a massive racist is narrow minded then I am content to be so.

Schlong&Stable · 6 Jun 2014 at 11:58

Skidder said:
If not being a massive racist is narrow minded then I am content to be so.

Neither position is narrow-minded in and of itself. I accuse Gilly of being narrow-minded because he is so focused on his own narrative, that he is all too eager to start labelling people and things.

[FnG]magnolia · 6 Jun 2014 at 12:03

Thompson_NCL said:
Neither position is narrow-minded in and of itself. I accuse Gilly of being narrow-minded because he is so focused on his own narrative, that he is all too eager to start labelling people and things.

Haven't we gone through all of this before? You revert to type (non-empathetic, socially distant robot) and everyone else - apart from a few BNP supporters - look on in stunned wonderment.

You can dress the above up however you like and use whichever words change the meaning to suit your own interpretation, if that's useful to you.

bam0 · 6 Jun 2014 at 12:08

At the risk of posting something hosted at the Guardian; http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/02/five-myths-ukip-conservatives-farage-newark
Polling shows that approval for UKIP is actually going down, they just got a bigger proportion of their supporters voting this time, given the different perception of the EU elections to national ones it still looks fairly safe to say they'll be an irrelevance in the next GE.

Schlong&Stable · 6 Jun 2014 at 12:09

[FnG]magnolia;26412010 said:
Haven't we gone through all of this before? You revert to type (non-empathetic, socially distant robot) and everyone else - apart from a few BNP supporters - look on in stunned wonderment.

You can dress the above up however you like and use whichever words change the meaning to suit your own interpretation, if that's useful to you.

I don't think "we" have been over anything before.

Sankari · 6 Jun 2014 at 12:14

Strife212 said:
I don't think anyone is claiming UKIP will rampage all across the country and take seats, they probably won't take a single seat.

But they just won 25.91% in a Parliamentary Election, so they will be affecting the voting dynamics quite a lot, taking votes from other parties. The other parties do have do worry about it.

Unless UKIP can get more than 15% of the vote (which would be a new record for them) the other parties have nothing to worry about.