Chinese cars

on the other hand Mr Musk - perhaps didn't injure as many people as dieselgate but the nhtsa aren't happy

jpaul said:
thought there was a weird parallel between revolut and the new tesla report findings
there's a point where you give people enough rope to hang themselves with,

According to the report by NHTSA, Tesla’s design is flawed and has “led to foreseeable misuse and avoidable crashes.”
Explaining the issues with the car, the report said it has a weak driver engagement system which clashes with the autopilot feature’s permissive operating capabilities, causing a critical safety gap.

Furthermore, the name “autopilot” is misleading for some drivers. It may lead them to think the feature has greater auto-driving capabilities than it actually does.
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todays announcement QC may deteriorate laying off staff again, ...superchargers oos
 
I am not going to say any individual event in that above video is false, but i must admit the whole tone of it worries me.
Yes if you go around in countries where the vast majority of cars are chinese i am sure you can find examples of chinese cars failing.

but then, the same could be said of other brands of cars as well. I not often but it has happened have seen plenty of petrol cars catch fire.
The door of my mates brand new saxo literally fell off, funnily enough the car on my grandads dewoo (SP?) also fell off.
a bolt in the steering rack of my 2nd fiat coupe sheared off and a remaining bolt which apparently would have meant my steering would have failed if it went was also well on the way.
ferrari not that long ago had a spate of car fires
and air bags are known to fail sometimes. (it was a running joke on the fiat coupe forums that celebrated the rare times in a big accident the bags DID deploy such was the failure rate of them).
Closer to home for me, apparently the ipace has a fault where it accelerates on its own and rams into walls/cars/people.............. And yet independent inspections failed to show a fault. is there a design flaw in the car? its possible but imo the human element is most likely the part at fault.

The almost "glee" that these kinds of videos/stories are presented with just stink to me of an ulterior motive, be it xenophobia or a fear of competing companies failing, or just to make clickbait..... i dunno.

but these days any video i see on social media, my initial reaction is prove it or its probably FUD.

So many cars are built in China now, cars which many on the street will assume are European or American, and often the chinese built ones are considered the superior car.
even if this isnt the case, many of the parts ultimately are chinese anyway.

sometimes tech fails, and it is really harrowing/terrifying when it does but i find it hard to believe that Chinese cars are inherently more dangerous than other cars.
 
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JonRGV250 said:
A lot of the reports say..

“Aito said data from the vehicle showed it was operating at a speed of 115 kph at the time of Friday's accident, adding that the airbag opened normally and readings from the battery pack were normal”
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Not Chinese but was in Hanoi recently and there were loads of cars from a Vietnamese company called Vinfast, some models looked quite smart though no idea if they are any good (suspect not)
 
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Rotty said:
Not Chinese but was in Hanoi recently and there were loads of cars from a Vietnamese company called Vinfast, some models looked quite smart though no idea if they are any good (suspect not)
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It has some major names "involved" in it - Siemens, BMW, Chevrolet. Could be something to watch.
 
Isn't this one already famous for a string of dangerous issues including wheels snapping off, airbags not working, brakes randomly not responding and more. Also very twitchy and unpredictable handling, but the CCP silence the press over it?
 
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Spent just over 2 weeks in south west China recently (Yunnan mostly) and was shocked at how widespread electric adoption was (at least 75% of vehicles on the road, includings vans and buses) and all were pretty decently equipped. Most ICE vehicles I saw were parked up and looked like they hadn't moved recently.

Mostly used Didi to get around and I think we had... maybe 2 petrol car journeys in the time we were there. I assume they have deals with the car manufacturers to offer them cheaply to would-be drivers.
 
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there's probably some irony too, that, as Farage reminded us last night, 80 coal fired stations opening a year in China - both contributing to running their cars,
and building the widgets we import in our near (dreamed), net zero economy. - googles saying such stations are 37% efficient.
 
Context is everything @jpaul, yes they are building coal but it’s also a country of 1.4bn people and the worlds factory so 80 power stations is not actually that significant in the grand scheme of things, even if that number is accurate.

China is also building more renewables than anyone by some margin - this solar farm opened recently.

www.independent.co.uk

World’s biggest solar farm goes is big enough to power an entire country

5GW facility is roughly the same area as New York City
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

The ‘but China’ argument is used by grifters like Farage to convince naive people there isn’t a problem here in the U.K. when it is obvious there is.

Try looking at some more nuanced analysis - China is building new coal plants but it’s about to hit peak coal burning:
www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com

China is building more coal plants but might burn less coal

China is adding more coal capacity, but its plants are running less often.
www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com

In essence, they are using them a peaker plants to fill in the gaps renewables leave behind. They’ve also overbuilt and much of the capacity isn’t actually being used.

We will be building new fossil power stations also for the same reasons as China, to fill in renewables gaps.
 
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jpaul said:
there's probably some irony too, that, as Farage reminded us last night, 80 coal fired stations opening a year in China - both contributing to running their cars,
and building the widgets we import in our near (dreamed), net zero economy. - googles saying such stations are 37% efficient.
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if it wasn't for them building all that throw away tat for the western world (that my kid loves so I am not playing holier than thou) they probably wouldn't need it anyway. per head they use a fraction of the power we do and their industry is not generally for them either.

I wish we were even 1/2 as.committed as a country to building renewables as china (and truth is we are better than a lot of other countries as well)

but all that being said, just to be clear. even an EV run off coal generated electricity, it's still over the life of the car more efficient than a fossil fuel car. forgetting the inefficiency from the engine and transmission etc, forgetting the lugging the fuel in lorries all over the place, actually refining oil uses a ton of electricity as well, and at least a coal plant is all in one place so *in theory* some of the emissions can be captured (not that i have much faith in carbon capture
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
The ‘but China’ argument is used by grifters like Farage to convince naive people there isn’t a problem here in the U.K. when it is obvious there is.
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hmmh no - go and listen to the 'debate' it was (in this case) to say there is a problem in the UK , which is the common argument I'm familiar with -
we are importing carbon rich goods , which is the motivation for the carbon border tax the europeans/ursula and maybe starmer/rishi may introduce.
[ farage was also making the point that maintaining a steel industry and some coal/oil dependency was important in near term, to avoid being economic hostage to russia/opec ]

The fact that the average carbon footprint of the chinese population is small, those exports included, itself morally reprehensible as it's indicative of a worse income inequality/poverty than the UK.
 
jpaul said:
there's probably some irony too, that, as Farage reminded us last night, 80 coal fired stations opening a year in China - both contributing to running their cars,
and building the widgets we import in our near (dreamed), net zero economy. - googles saying such stations are 37% efficient.
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I didn’t know the West had a monopoly on industrial revolutions.
 
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