coffee lake i5 8400/8600k or ryzen 1600?

R9mpo · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:02

Journey said:
My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i5-8400 2.8GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £179.99

1 x Asrock Z370 Pro4 Intel Z370 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £109.99

1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £158.99

1 x Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler= £28.99

Total: £488.46
(includes shipping: £10.50)

There's a start for you. I've done it with 16GB though.

Will i need the cooler too if im not overclocking?

Journey · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:12

You could always buy one later, the stock Intel coolers are terrible, and may stop you getting a decent all core turbo due to poor thermals. Also it will be quiet.

R9mpo · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:16

Journey said:
You could always buy one later, the stock Intel coolers are terrible, and may stop you getting a decent all core turbo due to poor thermals. Also it will be quiet.

ah i see thank you.

Do you think its worth considering older i5 7600k? or would the 8400 be much better due to 6 cores over 4? is a bit annoying theres no stock of the 8400.

really not sure what route to take...

Also thinking now if i upgrade my GPU could i run at 4k next year too on any of these CPU's or would i then need to upgrade further?

southernorth · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:19

R9mpo said:
ah i see thank you.

Do you think its worth considering older i5 7600k? or would the 8400 be much better due to 6 cores over 4? is a bit annoying theres no stock of the 8400.

really not sure what route to take...

Also thinking now if i upgrade my GPU could i run at 4k next year too on any of these CPU's or would i then need to upgrade further?

At 4k the GPU is much more important than the CPU, there isn't a huge difference in 4k benchmarks with a 1080ti and an 8700k/7700k/8400 etc

Journey · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:20

R9mpo said:
ah i see thank you.

Do you think its worth considering older i5 7600k? or would the 8400 be much better due to 6 cores over 4? is a bit annoying theres no stock of the 8400.

really not sure what route to take...

Also thinking now if i upgrade my GPU could i run at 4k next year too on any of these CPU's or would i then need to upgrade further?

Don't buy a 7600K, if you are doing that you might as well get the 8350K, with the newer chipset, since they are both 4c/4t CPU's.

Depends if you think 4K is worth it, most people would say go 1440p Ultrawide for a more immersive experience

gavinh87 · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:20

8400 is worth it over the 7600 imo.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:26

R9mpo said:
what about the I3 8350k? i know its only 4 core but could it be useful?

Maybe something like this?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pre-...ocket-lga1151-processor-4.9ghz-cp-646-in.html

no 100% sure what pre binned means?

PUBG has had a patch with supports 6+ threads recently so I wouldn't be getting a quad core for it and it also invalidates previous benchmarks too,which showed meh scaling from 4 to 6 cores.

southernorth · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:34

Shopping around a bit I've found a Z370 motherboard + 16GB DDR4 3200mhz + i5-8400 for £428. I've left out the better CPU fan, as the 8400 might require it, but until someone tests it we don't know for sure.

Which compares to £416 for a Ryzen 1600 + B350 motherboard + 16GB DDR4 3200mhz.

So it's not much of a difference when you shop around.

tally2425 · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:37

Someone tell me why i should buy an 8400 over the 8600k.

orbitalwalsh · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:37

tally2425 said:
Someone tell me why i should buy an 8400 over the 8600k.

1440p/4k shouldnt notice a difference

R9mpo said:
could people link definitive MOBO, CPU and RAM combos?

an odd 40-50 over budget isnt the end of the world.

prefer Gigabyte over ASRock - mainly due to fact rep on here if help is needed or if its going rma is local .
but i do drool over a strix board! imo much nicer then the ROG brand haha

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i5-8400 2.8GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £179.99
1 x Gigabyte Z370-HD3 Intel Z370 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £129.95
1 x Team Group Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - RGB Black (TF1D4= £169.99

Total: £490.43
(includes shipping: £10.50)

bit more expensive ram that has bling but over clock that badboy!!

R9mpo · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:42

Journey said:
Don't buy a 7600K, if you are doing that you might as well get the 8350K, with the newer chipset, since they are both 4c/4t CPU's.

Depends if you think 4K is worth it, most people would say go 1440p Ultrawide for a more immersive experience

i dont think i can afford he 600+ for the monitor and justify it haha

R9mpo · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:42

southernorth said:
Shopping around a bit I've found a Z370 motherboard + 16GB DDR4 3200mhz + i5-8400 for £428. I've left out the better CPU fan, as the 8400 might require it, but until someone tests it we don't know for sure.

Which compares to £416 for a Ryzen 1600 + B350 motherboard + 16GB DDR4 3200mhz. So it's not much of a difference when you shop around.

none with the 8400 instock though

southernorth · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:43

R9mpo said:
none with the 8400 instock though

I can't link to competitors, but there are other places with 8400 stock at the moment.

southernorth · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NkzSgLaP00

If you look at the temps of the 8400 in this video you can see it's being taxed fairly heavily at 3440x1440p. In the comments, the OP of the video says he's using the stock intel fan, and doesn't appear that MCE is enabled. Could this mean that the i5-8400 doesn't need aftermarket cooling to maintain 3800mhz across all cores with MCE disabled?

gavinh87 · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:02

southernorth said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NkzSgLaP00

If you look at the temps of the 8400 in this video you can see it's being taxed fairly heavily at 3440x1440p. In the comments, the OP of the video says he's using the stock intel fan, and doesn't appear that MCE is enabled. Could this mean that the i5-8400 doesn't need aftermarket cooling to maintain 3800mhz across all cores with MCE disabled?

It looks that way. CPU holding 3.8 happily.

gavinh87 · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:03

imginy · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:03

tally2425 said:
Someone tell me why i should buy an 8400 over the 8600k.

It's a lot cheaper and performs about the same.
https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/76...six-cores-gaming-benchmarks-gtx-1080-ti-gta-v

I was going to get the 8600k and half decent board but after seeing the benchmarks and pricing up 8400 with cheapest board I'm going to get the 8400. If in a few years time I want an upgrade I can always stick second hand 8600k/8700/8700k in there.

southernorth · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:04

gavinh87 said:

His conclusions about pricing aren't very applicable to us in the UK; where prices are more reasonable. Still a good comparison video.

gavinh87 · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:06

southernorth said:
His conclusions about pricing aren't very applicable to us in the UK; where prices are more reasonable. Still a good comparison video.

Yeah pricing aside, 1600 for productivity, 8400 for gaming.

R9mpo · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:07

southernorth said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NkzSgLaP00

If you look at the temps of the 8400 in this video you can see it's being taxed fairly heavily at 3440x1440p. In the comments, the OP of the video says he's using the stock intel fan, and doesn't appear that MCE is enabled. Could this mean that the i5-8400 doesn't need aftermarket cooling to maintain 3800mhz across all cores with MCE disabled?

Looks very promising!

Looks like i also need to decide on a new mid case!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/fractal-design-focus-g-window-midi-tower-case-black-ca-07a-fd.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/coolermaster-masterbox-5-midi-tower-case-black-ca-36a-cm.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-eclipse-p400-midi-tower-case-gun-metal-window-ca-043-pt.html